/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

https://youtu.be/9GwblPsdfxo

Parentoids actually got their kids picture days cancelled bc they were convinced that the photos were going to a "global pedophile database" according to Tracey
I'm not sure this man can be allowed to live with the way he exposes how these supposed skeptics who've glommed onto this are basically acting as superstititious peasants or apologists for people w superstititious peasant mindset
uh oh, he pointed to the way that recovered memory is being rehabiliated by that scandal
Someone said "I love your pants suit" and the lady debater said "thank you, its honor of Jeffrey Epstein" and Tracey actually said "RIP"

Race realism is mainstream enough now, I'd say that we can just modify that to say "pedophilia" (however defined) simply
>he made $3.1 million in payments to women including to women in countries identified as centers of human trafficking

Big time nothingburger
Trafficking is a fake meme anyways but if he paid some woman in Russia why does that make him more morally or criminally suspect than if he paid a woman in the US?

I almost certainly buy coffee from gas stations where drug deals are made, possibly daily
Does that mean im a drug trafficker or consumer?

So she said that if the allegations against Epstein are true then the public concern about it isnt overblown
She failed to establish that they were imo but its got me thinking: a lot of this comes down to this double game, "its not a moral panic like satanic panic because if we save even one kid its worth it!"
Which was actually the argument made by adherents of the satantic panic conspircy

One thing that antis can never establish is how much concern, public outrage and punitive action/surveillance is too much.

>you can never be too careful

and while she didnt explicitly layout or endorse this argument it seems so far shes leaving it unsaid.
It cant be a moral panic be you can never be too careful about the purity/ safety of children
bc if one can never establish how much action to stop abuse is overkill then it almost definitionally cant be a moral panic the way she lays things out.
Though so far im hearing no argument on why the satanic panic is a moral panic but Epstein isnt.
It featured claims of alleged sexual abuse by daycare workers on military bases, those claims were also reinforced with victims testimony through "recovered memories" that iirc were upheld in court and at least used to hold at least one person criminally liable – others committed suicide before their day in court iirc

>calling something a moral panic is truly a powerful move: it tells an audience that its fears are irrational, manufactured and must be dismissed

it feels very on the nose for a Jewess (l presume) whose written on moral panic to make this argument while drawing on the work of a dead Jew who coined the term moral panic.

If the moral panic concept is easily weaponized then dont anti-semites have some ground to stand on when liberal Jews called their concerns moral panics for arguably decades?

I’m not taking a stance that they weren't moral panics but apparently since calling something a moral panic is a power move and we should be skeptical of someone like Tracey for claiming it is.

well what else should we go back and look at with that type of skepticism if shes right?

>Tracey is part of the Epstein industry abhors because he writes articles opposing it

Insane framing by his opponent

>I know libertarians here abhor cancellation without due process but holding powerful people accountable for voluntary interactions with a convicted sex offender? thats not a witch-hunt.

Whether she knows it or not, she's making the claim that interacting with a convicted sex offender makes you guilty by association
Also undermines the notion (if one ever needed clear proof) that the SO list is about public safety and not punishment

To interact with an SO is to be part of a criminal conspiracy per her logic but SOs have served their time if they are out in public. So, one can only draw the conclusion that they are being punished after their sentences and the public should take the attitude "once a criminal always a criminal" towards them w/o evidence

>the academic literature does actually support Epstein as one [a folk devil]…
>Guten Yahuda also says that 'folk devils are the personification of evil and child molestors are terrific and instantly recognizeable candidates for the role of folk devil''
holy shit

>I dont know it seems like Jeffrey Epstein has become the satan-hitler-pedo mega villain of our entire age and maybe until we all periso so I think that box could be checked

Mentions that his entire reason for getting involved was the Trump DOJ set the precedent of recognizing someone as a victim for simply saying they are such. brutal

>How about the 6th amendment being eroded so purported Epstein victims can participate in trials under fake names?

brutal

He pointed out youd have to exclude the Satanic panic as a moral panic if the criteria was that a moral panic had to be directed against a "marginalized group"
(however defined)
he also defended RSOs as a marginalized group (based)

>"he cares a lot about the definition of pedophilia"
I knew this card would get pulled Imao

she keeps coming back to whether the claims around the Epstein case are true or not are irrelevant to whether it should be considered a moral panic

>"second of all, I will grant that pedophiles are a common subject for a moral panic"

actually insane series of admissions by his opponent

I'm pretty sure that Georgia maintains that Leo is guilty to this day.
tmk ADL misinterpreted Georgia's admission that a miscarriage of justice occured as an admission Leo was innocent by the state

she actually said the Epstein thing cant be a moral panic writ large bc its targeting "a pedophile [Epstein] and not all pedophiles"
thats crazy lol

So by her logic Leo was guilty and anyone associated with him or that defends him i…
Leo's case wasn't a moral panic about pedophilia and child murder, it was a moral panic against a pedophile and child murderer [per her logic]

She even keeps saying "underage women" interesting

>"I'm sorry, I'm a media studies scholar, Julie K. Brown won a pulitzer prize for her reporting"

he's going to tear her to shreds lol

>"The perversion of justice series"

huh i didnt know the series that brought Epstein to light was called that

02:36

She checked her watch when he asked if she read the court terms of the Epstein victims fund and said it was expressly non-adversarial lol
She knows she can’t go toe to toe with tracey on the facts of the case

57:20

audience member asks why the careless way that the media and others have designated people as "pedophile elites" going beyond Epstein himself doesnt count as a folk devil thing
Also points out that anyones that skeptical gets labelled as a "pedophile protector" (it hasnt been mentioned but thats classic "with us or against us" thinking)
She almost called Tracey Mr.Epstein instead of Mr.Tracey lol

03:00

Tracey pointed out that a non-famous woman was told she couldnt chaperone her kids on a school trip bc she was in the epstein files and thus a danger to children

"Victims rights were violated"

funny enough back during what people call woke 1.0 or whatever now

I remember people admitting that if you want fair treatment of defendants and prisoners then "victims rights" have to be limited on some level
and that a lot of people find that fact to be uncomfortable but its true to a fair extent

Either you can allow victims to crucify a person limitless per their whims or there has to be limitations on what they can demand that society do in relation to criminals, real and alleged
>"I think the credibility of a single victim [Giuffre] isn't necessarily what we need to litigate here…"
Tracey:
>"how convenient…"

03:17

She even admits "the child safety regime has upped its ante over the decades" but says it doesnt count cuz the case isnt about pedophiles writ large but Jeffrey Epstein's criminal bheavior
LOL

"I'm not saying that there's anyone besides Epstein and maybe Ghislane Maxwell committed crimes since shes been convicted but there is enough to ask questions and that's what due process is"

kinda crazy to bend due process as a process designed to protect defendants rights to that end lol
Damn he brought up the Salem witchtrials around 1:22:00 and all she could say was "okay"

03:32

His closing statement was fire
Libertards were sheep for not clapping for it
lol shes trying to claim that QAnon doesnt count as a moral panic in her closing bc society as a whole didnt have consensus around it

I wonder why she keeps saying "I'm not pointing any guilt except for Epstein and maybe Ghislane maxwell whose been put in prison" like first time i was tempted to just say she expressed herself poorly but she's said it twice now
But it was Ghislane who was actually convicted of the child trafficking she associates with Epstein (though she was only found guilty of trafficking minors to *Epstein*)

03:40
She just accused Tracey of using his journalistic platform to defend Epstein in her closing statement
I'm not sure i can recall a debate opponent who said that outright to Tracey in a serious format
Lol she won the "debate"
libertarians are truly cattle

Very much akin to stories of false prophets/oracles being readily lapped up bc they told comforting lies instead of hard truths

https://www.mtracey.net/p/forget-metoo-were-in-the-zombie-epstein