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 No.498460

I want to carry out a coup to restore the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party to power in Syria. How can I go about doing that?
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 No.498461

What makes them socialist?
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 No.498462

>>498461
State control of the commanding heights of the economy and Dirigisme
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 No.498463

>How can I go about doing that?
In real life? It's basically impossible.
The Ba'ath Party in Syria was tied to Assad, and there's no appetite for a return of Assad - which may seem stupid (it is), but bringing Assad back wouldn't immediately fix all the things which were ruined when Damascus fell. Syria's arsenal, air defenses, and much of its state infrastructure are gone now, and rebuilding those things would take a lot of time and resources. Syria has lost more land, and, even under Bashar al-Assad's government, Syria wasn't on the verge of retaking land held by "israel" and the United States.

Russia and Iran would have to fully approve of a return to power of the Ba'ath Party (because such an undertaking, especially now that Syria is a failed state, would require the support of powerful states), and in order for them to bother offering major material support, there would have to be a renewed popular mandate among the public in Syria. Even if that were the case, they're not going to go all-in because both of them are fighting wars on their own soil - the war with Ukraine is probably the primary reason why Syria fell when it did, Russia had its hands full and didn't want to bog itself down in a second war far away from its own territory.

Because Ba'ath in Syria has a negative reputation, and because western-aligned propaganda has also been extremely successful there over the decades, any outside state support for a return to Ba'ath rule would be seen as incredibly risky by potential benefactors. My genuine recommendation would be to try to find some other movement which rejects the new zio-takfiri status quo and support that instead.

Otherwise, if you wanted to try a coup to restore the Ba'ath Party… well, a number of things would need to align. You would want to begin with a propaganda movement to argue that things were better under the Ba'ath Party, and the secular Arab nationalism was a better system for a state with multiple diverse religious and cultural groups like Syria. You would want to push this argument hard, although this would likely meet state repression within Syria itself. As conditions worsen in Syria, you would continue to repeat your argument; that Syria needs national unity, that religious/ethnic factionalism is the cause of its collapse and woes, that those who are being displaced and murdered by "israel" are being failed by Jolani's collaborator government. You would want to make sure that, over the years, people associated the decline and partition of Syria with the crimes of the US, zionism, and their successful libeling and destruction of the Ba'ath government. You would want a broad movement which hammered home the point, in the minds of young people, that things were better under the Ba'ath Party; you would need pamphlets, ads, and cultural propaganda, and you would want to emphasize that the previous Ba'ath government was extremely lied about by the US-tied Arab mainstream media. You would also want to emphasize the role of the US in stoking unrest in Syria leading to Syria's collapse.

Of course, you would need to get arms to people who supported a Ba'ath return, but you would want to build sympathy as well, which would take a lot of time. There is no armed undertaking, right now, which would successfully coup the Jolani gov't without outside state support or a great deal (years and years) of preparation.

Also Ba'ath is more like a distinct political concept more closely comparable to social democracy in terms of its economic character. It's still better than having Syria be a failed ISIS-run zionist outpost, though.

polite sage
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 No.498464

>>498462
So nothing.
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 No.498466

>>498461
>>498462
>>498464
socialism can refer to many things
read the manifesto
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 No.498470

>>498466
No thanks post-modernist, I prefer to live in a world where words actually mean something. It's important for leftists to be able to communicate clearly with one another with consistent language. At bare minimum socialism is a rejection of capitalism, that means you can't replace one form of capitalism with another and call it socialism. Reminder that Ba'athists in both Syria and Iraq regularly killed communists and Syrian Ba'athists intervened in the Lebanese civil war on the side of the right-wing Maronite faction. At its core, the philosophical rejection of materialism in favor of spooky Arab essentialism is what ultimately led to similar outcomes for Ba'athism in both Syria and Iraq.

Now that Ba'athist repression has ended, there may be an opportunity for Syrian communists to rebuild their movements and form powerful coalitions again. I have more hope for those restoring civility in Syria than any Ba'athist resurgence. Only time will tell.
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 No.498480

>>498470
Syrian communists had political representation in the National Progressive Front
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 No.498483

>>498470
>At its core, the philosophical rejection of materialism in favor of spooky Arab essentialism is what ultimately led to similar outcomes for Ba'athism in both Syria and Iraq.
That's weird, I thought it was the US and its proxies bombing the shit out of both of them.
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 No.498490

>>498483
The US bombed the shit out of Vietnam and lost to communists. Two things can be true at once. Having the shit bombed out of you isn't an excuse to abandon solidarity and go after people to your left. Otherwise the US is getting exactly what it wants (defanged, less dangerous leftists) every time it bombs the shit out of you.
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 No.498493

>>498490
>The US bombed the shit out of Vietnam and lost to communists.
The US also destroyed the Soviet Union without ever even having to bomb it directly.

The difference with Vietnam was actual military strategy; the Vietnamese developed world class guerilla warfare tactics. Philosophy wouldn't have saved them if they didn't have effective tunnel warfare and tricky terrain for the American occupier, and, afaik, Syria and Iraq didn't have much in the way of guerilla armies (or at least not largescale domestic guerilla armies operating on the side of the Syrian state in the case of Syria) or tunnel strategy.

Also, >>498480 already pointed out that the late era Bashar al-Assad government had representation for the left. Ironically, it was during Bashar's father's government, which was considerably stronger and more competent, that the purges of leftists occurred.
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 No.498753

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I want to be the next Hafez Assad
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 No.498757

Syria deserves to be secular, socialist, Arab and free
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 No.498758

Syria is the beating heart of Arabism and the forefront of confrontation with the Zionist enemy
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 No.498767

Las Alturas Golan son Sirianas!
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 No.498875

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I'm going to be moving like prime Odysseus return to Ithaca when I restore the Ba'ath to power in Damascus.

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