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 No.19687[Reply]

Quantum physics accounts for the collapse of the wave function (and thus for the emergence of “ordinary” reality) in terms of the act of perception/registration (a single reality emerges through the act of measurement), but it then explains (or, rather, describes) this measurement in terms of the ordinary reality that only emerges through it (the measuring machine is hit by electrons, etc.), and this obviously involves a vicious circle.

What this means is that the big problem is not how we can pass from the classic universe to the universe of quantum waves, but exactly the opposite one—why and how the quantum universe itself immanently requires the collapse of the wave function, its “de-coherence” into the classic universe, i.e., why and how the collapse is inherent to the quantum universe. Instead of just standing in awe before the wonder of the quantum universe, we should turn around our perspective and perceive as the true wonder the rise of our “ordinary” spatio-temporal reality. It is not only that there is no classic reality which is not sustained by blurred quantum fluctuations; one should add that there is no quantum universe which is not always-already hooked onto a piece of classic reality. The problem of the collapse of the wave function through the act of measurement is that it has to be formulated in classic, not quantum, terms—this is why “the collapse of the wave function occupies an anomalous position within quantum mechanics. It is required by the fact that observations occur, but it is not predicted by quantum theory. It is an additional postulate, which must be made in order that quantum mechanics be consistent.” One should note this precise formulation: a measurement formulated in terms of classic reality is necessary for quantum mechanics itself to be consistent, it is an addition of the classic reality which “sutures” the quantum field. What, then, is the status of “quantum reality,” i.e., of the so-called wave function Fi which renders the panoply of superimposed states?

>Are we to regard Fi as actually representing physical reality? Or is it to be viewed as being merely a calculational tool for working out probabilities of the results of experiments that might be performed, the results of these being “real,” but not the wave function itself? … It was part of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics to take this latter viewpoint, and, according to various other schools of thought als
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 No.18474[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Okay so literally i'm creating a new bi porn thread because i realized that some people are staying on bunkerchan just because my nudes are there so i'm gonna make it easier for them to come here by reposting them
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Final bump to kill the thread
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>>19074
W-why do you want to kill all this good stuff?
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 No.19076>>19077

>>19074
I just checked and this thread is 6 months old. A lot of good porn is going to be lost :'(
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 No.19077

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>>19076
I'll make a new one. Next time i wont post without 5 files per post to maximize post efficiency.


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 No.17849[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

THE PENCIL IS SHARPER THAN THE SWORD PERU ELECTIONS 6.0
Get in here

This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch

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 No.18469>>18470

We need a new one until 100.000 lead has been secured at closing
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 No.18470

>>18469
Another one for the weeklong recount
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 No.18471>>18472

Is somebody gonna make a new thread or nah?
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>>18471
Ok, give me a sec
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 No.18473

I am not sharp enough edition
>>305248
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>>305248
New one


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 No.17177[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

WE DID IT CASTILLOBROS EDITION 5.0
Get in here

This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch

Prev. threads:
>>>/leftypol_archive/14633 #1
>>>/leftypol_archive/15250 #2
>>>/leftypol_archive/15858 #3
>>>/leftypol_archive/16499 #4
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 No.17844

>>17810
>we could have had Peru with Japanese Characteristics and cum
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>>17755
>our revolution is not communist
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 No.17846

>>17723
>denounced by the USSR
>denounced by China
>denounced by literally everyone
Dilate
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 No.17847

>>17801
Gonzalo has been in jail since 1992 boy
Shining Path has been irrelevant for over 2 decades at this point
Stop being so white, you fat American cunt
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 No.17848

>>17755
>>17845

>neither was the Cuban Revolution.


Initially, at least. The bay of pigs invasion blessed us with Castro going full commie.


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 No.16499[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Get in here

This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch

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>>299257
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 No.17172

test
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test
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 No.17174

You guys are raiding the wrong thread
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 No.17175

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>>16896
>>16900
Kek-o you have lost face for the fuji clan. you know what must be done.
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>>17080
What's the latest numbers?


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 No.15858[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

2021 PERU ELECTIONS 3.0
Last thread hit bump limit.

This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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>>299257
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>>16486
If the chick wins by a 0.1% difference because of gusanos I hope Castillo and gang make the Shining Path look like pacifists
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 No.16495

>ayacucho and cusco still not fully counted
It hasnt even begun
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 No.16496>>16497

OPEN A NEW THREAD
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 No.16497

>>16496
here:

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 No.16498

>>16481
motherfucking jojo reference of Castillollo posing with Gonzalo as his stand above him, I can't come up with a name for it tho


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 No.15250[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last thread hit bump limit.

This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's going to be a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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 No.15853

Think Fujimori will accept the results once ousted?
How many weeks do you give it until the CIA-led coup starts?
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 No.15854

New thread
>>300726
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 No.15855

>>15265
LMAO
uygha Russians like Stalin, even some ex-Warsaw countries like Stalin, no one in Peru likes the Shining Path
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 No.15856

>>15800
It's a different anon than the Mautist
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 No.15857

>>15627
Discerning voters like yourself are what every democracy needs.


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 No.14633[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>Pedro Castillo and Verónika Mendoza signed a joint declaration on Wednesday sealing Mendoza's support for Castillo going into the Presidential runoff election. They also agree to work together in order to "achieve a government of the people."

The left in Peru is uniting behind a Marxist candidate who is on the verge of BTFOing the Fujimoris, neoliberals all around the world seething about his friendship with Morales & Maduro.

Can we show this based Incan some love?
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>>15220
>>15220
>emember what Maduro is doing right now, killing communists in the Colombian border

https://www.laiguana.tv/articulos/906893-farc-ep-deslindarse-caso-apure/

>Ejércitos de países vecinos no son objetivos militares: FARC-EP se deslinda de hechos en Apure

Armies of neighboring countries are not military objectives: FARC-EP demarcates from events in Apure


You're sperging lies. Get banned, CIA-Operative
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 No.15246

>>15245
>Guys they said it was unfortunate so they're not counter-revolutionary
STOP
COPING
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 No.15247

>>15120
Good ideology, absolutely autistic praxis
>>15117
Peruvians don't like the SP white boy
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 No.15248

>>15139
Dilate, resorting to conspiracy theories
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 No.15249

>>15239
False information, and irrelevant, they're cornered in a single valley and largely just supply coca paste to not starve lmao, even if they are growing they'll just get pushed back, no one is going to join that organization because it's


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 No.12904[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🇧🇷 /brg/ Brasil General 🇧🇷
Brazilian Lenin edition
Last one got full
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Zizek avistado em Londria.
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Tá na hora de criar uma thread cíclica, não?
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 No.13516

>>13515
Discordo. Pq numa cíclica, arquivar o fio vira um pesadelo. Melhor deixar assim, e quando acabar, a gente arquiva e partimos pra próxima.;
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New thread
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 No.11465[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Well it's another day of /pol/fags raiding. Given the increased attention our board has gotten I figured I should write up a critique of /pol/; both the "arguments" it makes on here as well as its ideology in general. Maybe some /pol/lyps read it and take it to heart, most likely they wont. This is just an open post anyone can comment on. I'm slightly hungover, so forgive me if this comes across as a bit incoherent.

/pol/'s ideological problem
/pol/ is ostensibly a "fascist" board. Though its far removed from the fascism of yesteryear. Whereas Italian Fascism at least had an intellectual and philosophical component to justify itself, whereas it could elaborate on some basic tenets (even though it would contradict all of them at some point) Nazism had no such thing: just an incoherent conspiracy.

What both Fascism in its Italian and Nazi forms had—that /pol/ certainly lacks—is collective discipline. Most of the early blackshirts were veterans of WWI. The success and organizational power of the fascist movement could be attributed to the work of these veterans who, to their credit, actually were fairly efficient at what they do.

>What was the base of classical fascism?

<Veterans and the economically devastated middle class.
>What is the base of modern fascism?
<An economically devastated middle-class.

All /pol/ is home to is the socially maladroit children of middle income earners. Well, and Boomers screaming at the world as the last synapses in their brain burn out. Of course there may be a few exceptions here and there (and its obvious /pol/ anons like to LARP as the exception to the rule) but for the most part the same people are attracted to /pol/: The children who sat alone on the playground. The incel seething at some happy couple in a coffee shop. The kind of person who thinks they're one life coach grifter away from finding real happiness.

Everything /pol/ does is directed by their class position as the children of middle income earners, as asocial loners with serious self-esteem issues. If they do have a career, its likely as a contractor or some white collar worker that is isolated from or in direct confrontation with other workers. Either way, it leads to /pol/ being collectively impotent.
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 No.12390

>>12387
Awful lot of whining. I post on here for fun and I’m a member of a party that’s over a hundred years old. You’d have a point if I ever tried to argue that leftypol is the nexus for a revolutionary movement, which I didn’t.
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 No.12391

>>12389
Since you actually earnestly tried to respond I’ll type up a response after work tonight.
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 No.12392

>>12388
>The western left is pretty hostile to the concept of a Labour Aristocracy, simply because that would mean they would have to accept that they are useless
They've adopted not only that theory, but the settler colonial one as well
They don't accept they, the middle class, are useless because they are interested in institutions
The left is more concerned with rurals than the middle class, the labor aristocracy and settler colonialism is used to explain the gap between the latter suburban and urban types and the former.
>What I do however see is that this so called "populism" is laughed at, because it doesn't really mark a shift in power. In essence you have right-populism that is a revitalizing of old domestic industrial capital and left-populists that try to reestablish a sort keynesian social democratic concensus like in the post-war years
Pretty much, but it shouldn't be laughed at. It's challenging what the western left isn't able to
I think its anti imperialist
>>12388
>Can you give specific examples. I don't think I have seen this one
Arguments over the electoral reform or surrogate democratic party reveal that position. You see it in the left and liberals after 2016, a belief that unless we vote blue colonialism will not be held at bay
>>12388
>Do you think it will be better in showing the contradictions between capital and labor
I dont know if it's better at it but it's the closest thing to a force showing it
But it's more accurately a division over globalization, not capital.
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 No.12393>>12394

>>12389
Okay, back. Gonna be kind of brief because I've got some vidya gaems with buddy to get to. Your argument seems built on the naturalism fallacy (I.E. Nature = "Good") but let's not forget humans are nature's paradox. As the only form of intelligent life that we're aware of, we've taken ourselves out of nature and all the biological imperatives that come with it. You can say that our goal is to carry on our genes, but the truth is we have free will and can voluntarily choose not to.

But even accepting that logic for a minute, by its very nature it destroys Nazism. The iron law of nature is not, as some "Darwinists" misstate, the survival of "the fittest." Rather all evolutionary biology is rooted in adaptation. The creature that survives is the one most able to adapt to its environment. To, in essence, diversify itself. Throughout life, from tiny flowers to mighty dinosaurs, everything ends up changing. When a species stops changing, it becomes an evolutionary dead end.
Look at Nazism; if it were really obsessed with passing on genes to the next generation, then it wouldn't have its obsession with "racial purity." After all, even if the whitest scandinavian had a child with the darkest african, the child would still inherit genes from both of its parents, even if darker skin is the dominant gene. However, Nazism doesn't care about that. Instead it ascribes "cleanliness" and "dirtyness" to certain races and peoples. It tries its damnedest to preserve its supposed "racial purity" by ruthlessly calling diversity.
But its another evolutionary truth that homogeneity in genetics ultimately leads to sterility, just look at what happened to the Aristocrats of Europe with their obsession with "blood purity!"

Rather than enhancing the fertility of German society, Nazism sterilized it. "Degenerate" art was banned. "Dirty" races were exterminated. The end result of all of that was an ultimately sterile society; one that could produce no art, no great works, and ultimately had its genes "dirtied" by foreign soldiers when they lost the war.

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>>12393
>>12393
> Your argument seems built on the naturalism fallacy (I.E. Nature = "Good")
Common misconception and infact a forgivably understable one.
National Socialism is based around the understanding of the function of biological organsisms being the origin of their morality; not their nature.
There are a great deal of things a human being may be predisposed to do by virtue of his genes or enviroment (such as excessive alhohal use, self harm or homosexuality) which are none the less objectivelly immoral as they undermine the survival and reproduction of ones genes.
Just because you are morn with a mental ilnnes that predisposes you to serial murder does not serial murder in your case is moral (in so far as you are capable of consious action)
>but let's not forget humans are nature's paradox. As the only form of intelligent life that we're aware of, we've taken ourselves out of nature and all the biological imperatives that come with it.
I'm honestly curious if you actually believe this how in the hell you think Marxist Socialism is ever going to arise??
As Marxist Socialism is, after all, first and foremost predicated upon the appeal to material conditions of the working class.
If the material conditions of the working class (which are necessairily biological in character given that the material the workers are made of is bio-matter, responding to stimulous over time) are not objectively important how would you be able to say that Marxist Socialism was the inevitably product of a capitalist economy?
Just through argumentation (Which will necessairily by your frame work be inherntly baseless) and emotional appeal given in hopes of calling workers to the banner of your cause???
Granted i have put the words of this response in your mouth to some extent,
But IF that is the fundimental basis of world view it seems pretty inherently idealistic my dude.
No real scientific study of history to speak of.
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