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 No.11178

Ok, lads, I need to vent.

Why the FUCK is every fucking shithole on the www is trying to make my life as much miserable as possible?

Try to view aurora store homepage from tor - Forbidden. Try to do it from a vpn - stuck at the loading screen. Try to view some reddit thread - everything is falling apart at the seams. Oh, just FUCK OFF!

Every fucking shithole is making gorillion connections to some fucking cdn network, every fucking shithole is so heavy with js that I can almost hear it shitting its pants when trying to load a two paragraph page.

every fucking shithole is using cloudflare that forces me to solve retarded google captcha 10 times that doesn't even make sense I clicked on the fucking boat GODDAMIT! GIVE ME A BREAK!!
and it's getting even worse, now sometimes it doesn't even give me any captcha and just blocks my ass, nhentai I'm looking at you bitch

with every year internet becomes more and more unusable, I might as well install windows that connects to M$ servers over 5000 times a day and then resells this data to gorillion third parties and be fucking done with it
every fucking shithole wants your email, phone number, or whatever the fuck anyway
I'm DONE
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 No.11179

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It's funny to read this today anon cause when I woke up I needed to check my bank account because I am trying to get a ride home from work and I need money obviously and my bank already had a horrible website layout but when I woke up today everything was changed and the url was different and I tried to log in and now it wont even let me in because I bet they changed databased like retards and now it doesn't recognize my user account.

I clicked "join" and I just get brought to a blank page. It's fucking incredibly lmao. Of course yes it has an absurd amount of java and looks like dog shit.
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 No.11180

Oh, and of course sometimes you can solve their google captcha 10 times in a row and only then google just blocks your ass. "Thank you for improving our Skynet that will predator bomb your ass in the future! Now fuck off!"
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 No.11181

Also imagine nhentai blocking your ass even when you LOGGED IN already
FUCK OFF! I WILL BITE YOUR LEGS OFF!
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 No.11182

>>11181
>>11180
This is exactly why I don't use the modern internet unless I absolutely have too. it's all fucked. All the market wants to cater too is phone fags.
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 No.11185

>>11182
trying smartphones is a dystopian experience
you can't to do shit on your smartphone
can't unlock bootloader without groveling first before your capitalist overlords
"pretty please m'lord, can I unlock bootloader on YOUR phone?"

can't securely install apps without google getting into your ass

devs wiping their feet with users

gorillion fucking toggles
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 No.11186

toggles inside toggles inside toggles
what fucking harebrained absolute autist thought this was a good idea?
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 No.11188

>>11185
>can't unlock bootloader without groveling first before your capitalist overlords
"pretty please m'lord, can I unlock bootloader on YOUR phone?"
this holy shit. i got a new phone and to unlock the bootloader i had to SIGN UP FOR A ONEPLUS ACCOUNT, fill out a form sending them a bunch of my information, and then WAIT AN ENTIRE WEEK to get emailed a file to let me unlock it. coming from using very old smartphones, it felt like i had been teleported to some alien and disturbing future and i wanted to return immediately. like samurai jack or some shit. and of course since all the software that doesn't spy on you is reverse-engineered from the shit provided by the vendors, it's hacky as fuck and doesn't work with tons of shit, so i had to downgrade my android version to install it, which required borrowing a windows PC from someone and installing this sketchy tool from xda-developers on it that could be crammed full of malware for all i know, as well as some device drivers that are so old and obscure they can no longer be found from official sources. and of course i had to do it again because i was waylaid by this mandatory week long wait, and android updated itself back to 12 in the interim EVEN THOUGH i had explicitly disabled auto-update in the developer settings.

i get cold sweats at night at the thought of ARM ever supplanting x86, or x86 devices ditching BIOS and turning into ARM devices, because this is the future that awaits us if that ever happens.
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 No.11189

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>>11178
>the commercial web sucks more and more
you might like project Gemini, it's an alternative protocol which seeks to create a minimalist web and it is run by hobbyists and volunteers as a community. It has a very simple design so that hobby resources are enough for it to run well and create an enjoyable experience. Most Gemini capsules (the word they use for sites) open instantly.

You can access Gemini via a Gemini capable browser
<Lagrange (GUI-browser)
https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/
<Amfora (terminal browser)
https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/amfora/releases

the main project page is https://gemini.circumlunar.space.
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 No.11196

We can build a better Internet completely on our own any time we want to. You're hypnotized by the idea that it's all about technology and that we need the money & expertise to build a parallel structure. The Internet is people, not tech.

With some novel repurposing of existing tech, and fostering the growth of an informal network based on direct private connections, we can bootstrap our own self-funded Internet. Zero cost, and you build it just by doing things you already do for fun anyway.

The biggest hurdle is finding people who want to start and maintain direct private connections. Do any of you remember when you talked to your friends using email? Is that even a thing any more? Now everything is on social media platforms.

I'm happy to talk about what I have in mind if anyone gives a shit, but an integral part of it is direct private communication. People have to be willing to share emails & public keys.
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 No.11197

>>11188
>i get cold sweats at night at the thought of ARM ever supplanting x86, or x86 devices ditching BIOS and turning into ARM devices, because this is the future that awaits us if that ever happens.
you don't need ARM for this lol
it's already happening on x86 with secure boot, where it boots only what is sighned with M$ or Apple private keys

>>11189
>Gemini
does it have a search engine?
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 No.11198

>>11196
>The Internet is people, not tech.
Cope
Internet is infrastructure

>With some novel repurposing of existing tech, and fostering the growth of an informal network based on direct private connections, we can bootstrap our own self-funded Internet. Zero cost, and you build it just by doing things you already do for fun anyway.

I don't want 'private connections'
I want convenient public infrastructure

>Do any of you remember when you talked to your friends using email? Is that even a thing any more?

email is an abomination that should die
it makes me throw up everytime I'm forced to use this shit at work

literally can't go back to anything after imageboards

>but an integral part of it is direct private communication

what are you even doing on imageboards lol?
go to your private fbi.gov for 'private communication'

I want fucking public communication
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 No.11199

people generally don't want to host their own resources
especially hosting on their own machine
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 No.11200

>>11198
>Internet is infrastructure
Infrastructure matters. But an organized informal network of people could choose to mass adopt alternative infrastructures such as hyperborea, providing them with the numbers they need to become a viable contender to the regular Internet.

>I don't want 'private connections'

>I want convenient public infrastructure
One doesn't exclude the other. But these platforms have no incentive to knock it off with their bullshit unless people have alternative ways to do what they need to do online.

>email is an abomination that should die

It's an example of direct private communication. There's also encrypted messaging. Hell, use an encrypted pastebin for all I care

>what are you even doing on imageboards lol?

We need both private and public communication. That way a community doesn't get shut down just because the site gets taken down, or the mods turn into assholes. An informal network can exist across multiple platforms and quickly migrate to new ones if they need to.

>go to your private fbi.gov for 'private communication'

so I'm a fed? well practice opsec dummy. don't share details of your personal life. but the feds aren't looking for you. they're looking for pedos, terrorists and DNM vendors.

>I want fucking public communication

So long as you outsource all your communication needs to tech giants, they can shit on you all they want. Doesn't matter how much you wring your fist at them.
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 No.11201

>>11197
>does it have a search engine?
yes
geminispace.info

if you want to explore it a little try out random sites from the aggregator lists like CAPCOM, Spacewalk and gmisub on
gemini.circumlunar.space

There is also social media

link list with comments
geddit.glv.one

text-board
gemchan.space
vgemini-textboard.fgaz.me

those are all capsule addresses, so you have to type it into a Gemini capable browser
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 No.11202

>>11201
I didn't know about these. The reddit clone looks dope the textboards are cool but dead. That's nice thought gh cause the only text board I know of that is still around is on gopher and is filled with poltards.
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 No.11272

>Try to view some reddit thread
you deserve it
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 No.11273

>>11272
As opposed to what? pol?
You guys are like vermin. Impossible to get rid of once you start nesting.
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 No.11274

>>11178
If you don't already have uMatrix, get it. It helps you get around a lot of that crap, and it prevents a ton of useless shit from loading if you use it right.
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 No.11275

>>11185
Why not just jailbreak the thing?
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 No.11276

Just download the app for a better experience!
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 No.11280

>>11276
I'm convinced that website design has intentionally become shittier over time in order to force people onto apps for data collection purposes.
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 No.11281

>>11280
I mean, yeah. That's probably absolutely true.
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 No.11285

>>11272
some answers to questions are only available on reddit
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 No.11286

>>11274
>If you don't already have uMatrix, get it.
It won't protect you from cloudflare blocking your ass

also if you block cdn network on domain level - the whole site breaks down
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 No.11287

>>11275
>Why not just jailbreak the thing?
how?
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 No.11289

>>11286
No, it won't. I just don't use sites that have it. I don't feel like I am missing anything.
>>112867
It depends on the make and model of your phone. Look up how to jailbreak your phone in particular. A simple search on SearX should find a method or two. It's usually easier to do when you have a computer to plug the phone into, but there should be a method that doesn't use one.
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 No.11291

>>11189
>Lagrange (GUI-browser)
I'm mind blown, this might actually be the best browser I've ever seen
fucking beautiful sleek ass browser

last minimal browser I've tried - badwolf - broke on my stripped down fedora

maybe www fags should take a note or two

>>11201
>gemchan.space

<dead as hell board, still better than other chans

kek indeed gemanon
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 No.11292

<two plus two is four minus one that's three quick maths
<Gemini math support.
kek now that's what I call a /math/ board on a chan
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 No.11295

Gemini works great when torified, no slowdowns

I understand it uses ICANN servers for domain resolution? Does it support DNSSEC?
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 No.11304

>>11178
(You're un-)Welcome to the modern web! (Don't) Enjoy your stay!

>reddit

You're in luck, they launched a tor thing on 2022-10-25! Don't try logging in though, security stuff will lose its shit.
https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion
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 No.11306

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Switched to FreeTube now, finally this shit is actually watchable now without ads interrupting media stream every second.
Also comes bundled with the SponsorBlock, so you can skip youtube bitches self-promoting and shilling their sponsors. No more "HIT THAT LIKE BUTTON AND SUBSCRIBE!!!" whining.

Internet became a little less shittier today.
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 No.11865

>>11306
Do you know how to make freetube show recorded live-streams, because those don't show up if you click on the channel video tab.
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 No.11866

>>11865
What the hell is free tube?
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 No.11867

>>11865
what do you mean "recorded live-streams"? it plays both live-streams and recorded video alright for me
give me a link to the video

also what OS? did you use a standalone installer? appimage? flatpak?

>>11866
>What the hell is free tube?
https://freetubeapp.io/
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 No.11868

Also tried PlasmaTube because it's written in Qt and in the repo, but couldn't get it to run on barebones fedora install - it didn't install a bunch of kf5-kirigami and kf5-kcoreaddons dependencies even tho it throws an error without them. I hate this shit.
and after installing kf5-kcoreaddons it throws an error that it still can't find kcoreaddons or whatever, even tho there are no more kcoreaddons packages in the repo
someone needs to be bitchslapped for this, why even package if it doesn't pull required deps? fucking retards

and on a standard bloated gnome fedora install it at least launches, but is broken as fuck and can't play any videos
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 No.11870

>>11306
How is this better than Invidious?
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 No.11871

>>11870
freetube is a standalone desktop app, even tho Electron based

you need to self-host invidious, or use someone else's instance
instances tend to go down and be slow as fuck, buffering like a motherfucker when youtube embed flies

freetube local youtube scraper backend is as fast as embed, and it can fallback to invidious instances in case of failure

also, it allows local subscriptions, remembers history, playback state, etc, etc etc

and it frees your browser for actual browsing

only thing is lacks are proper tabs, it only has separate windows as of now, but it's still in beta
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 No.11872

>>11870
oh, and also freetube can buffer the whole video and is not limited by your browser cache
and in general it's fast and smooth
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 No.11873

>>11871
>freetube is a standalone desktop app
Meh.
>instances tend to go down and be slow as fuck
There are always more of them.
>freetube local youtube scraper backend is as fast as embed, and it can fallback to invidious instances in case of failure
That's a legitimately nice feature.
>also, it allows local subscriptions, remembers history, playback state, etc, etc etc
Fuck all that.
>and it frees your browser for actual browsing
Yeah, but so do tabs.
>>11872
I just download the videos and then watch them. Playing it back in VLC lets me skip around in the video at will.

You know what a program like FreeTube would be good for? PornHub. Make soemthing like that for PornHub and other online porn sites, and you would crash the internet porn industry with no survivors.
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 No.11874

>>11867
>what do you mean "recorded live-streams"? it plays both live-streams and recorded video alright for me
It plays livestreams for me too, but only if i know their specific title or link and search for it. I'm asking about discovery. As in going to a channel page and then looking for what's been uploaded to it. In those cases i don't see any way to find live-streams i don't already know about.
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 No.12509

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>Why the FUCK is every fucking shithole on the www is trying to make my life as much miserable as possible?
When you are a psychopath and have control over hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars, housing, farmland, the internet, etc. and are protected by people's belief in the legitimacy of a ruling class that was conjured into existence by morons checking boxes on ballots, wouldn't you use that influence and invulnerability to reshape the laws and mankind the way you want it to be? (e.g. dumb and docile and serving you?)
Maybe you should listen to what people in such a position are saying publicly about their plans.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/
https://nitter.poast.org/snicklink/status/1706662702083661875
https://www.corbettreport.com/blackrock/

Torrent The World's End (2014) and maybe Harodim (2012).
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 No.12510

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Reminder that CloudFlare is a MITM service run by the NSA CAPITALISM!!!!1111 and anyone who refuses to use it gets DDoS'd to death by the NSA CAPITALISM!!!!111

iirc bitcoiners were the first ones to point this out.
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 No.12515

>>12510
I'm not sure if you have captured the hole story.

The network design of the internet has flaws that make DOS and DDOS attacks relatively easy. It's however possible to make network structures that make denial of service attacks very hard. There are various alternative network protocols that claim immunity to DDOS, which might be an overstatement but higher resistance to DDOS is plausible.

DDOS protection services are probably only a temporary fix, eventually somebody will find an attack vector where mitigation becomes too costly, and that's when people will have sufficient incentives to start digging through the entrails of low level network-stuff to fix the root causes.

Cloudflare and company, do exist for a reason, they plug a hole that really exists, that said there could be shenanigans going on that level.

There is another protocol flaw with implications: Weblinks only go one way, if you click a link it takes you to another webpage which may not have a link that would take you back. Browsers had to get a back button with complicated branching link history trees to deal with this, search engines have to maintain a special database with back-links to make their search graph. A huge amount of effort went into patchwork for this simple oversight in the protocol design.

We'll probably migrate the internet to new hardened protocols that make DDOS harder, and then we could as well add 2-way links while were at it.
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 No.12516

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>>12509
if only this part was true
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 No.12517

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>>12515
>I'm not sure if you have captured the hole story.
Same goes for you.

In order to provide DDoS protection for SSL-encrypted connections, Cloudflare requires the website operator to hand over their private keys.
Cloudflare always reads the entire communication between the user and the server.
Cloudflare could provide some DDoS protection by simply acting as a proxy, but they don't want that because where's the fun in that?

This also goes for their so-called "keyless SSL":
>Note: Keyless SSL requires that Cloudflare decrypt, inspect and re-encrypt traffic for transmission back to a customer’s origin.
https://www.cloudflare.com/ssl/keyless-ssl/

Even if one were naive enough to believe they're not doing anything malicious with that data, there is still the threat of another Cloudbleed happening.
Also we know that all US companies are required to include backdoors for the NSA.
Anything you send through Cloudflare ends up as cleartext in Utah.
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 No.12519

>>12517
>Cloudflare requires the website operator to hand over their private keys
I've been trying to wrap my head around this. Not very successfully i might add. Many people claim that cloud-flare is a CDN (content delivery network) not a DDoS protection proxy. I'm not sure what to make of that.

If they do something akin to a man in the middle attack and process the data for the purpose of scanning the content, that will create a massive attack surface for them, since they eat whatever data passes through their systems.

Even if one can sequester scanning processes into many layers of software cocoons with virtualization. I doubt that this is really going to stand up to the kinds of attacks being made possible here. At the scales that these services work, adversaries could do extremely systemic probing until they find cracks.

I'm not sure how the dice will fall on this, but it could be that eventually these giant systems will give way. It might be wise to have contingencies and make sure these don't have any malicious potential.

>Also we know that all US companies are required to include backdoors for the NSA.

Yeah that's unfortunate, backdoors are delayed security bugs that eventually will be found out or leaked and then exploited by whomever. It's reckless that they're still putting these time-bombs into the information infrastructure.
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 No.12520

Reminder that there is a revolving door between Cloudflare and US military and spook agencies. Alissa Starzak was a general counsel for the army, department of defense, Senate intelligence committee, and the CIA, under the Obama administration. She went to Cloudflare for four years as "Head of Policy" in 2016 and then went back to the Biden administration where she still resides now.
https://worldprojects.columbia.edu/node/211
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/01/25/contractors-and-weapons-firms-to-oversee-national-defense-strategy/
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 No.12522

>>12520
If you don't trust Cloudflare, what would you suggest as alternative strategy for mitigating DDoS?
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 No.12523

>>12522
How has Kiwifarms been doing it? Cuckflare dropped them over bullshit.

If the sky's the limit there are proposed protocols like locutus who's devs claim makes ddosing much more difficult.
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 No.12524

>>12523
I've seen people mention "Kiwifarms" but i don't know what it is. I'm assuming it's a website that is now using a competing DDoS protection service.

>protocols like locutus who's devs claim makes ddosing much more difficult.

Yeah they seems to have a clever trick
<Antiflood Token System

<The Antiflood Token System (AFT) is a decentralized system aimed to provide a simple, but general purpose solution to flooding, denial-of-service attacks, and spam.


<AFT allows users to generate tokens through a "token generator", which is created by completing a "hard" task, such as making a donation to Freenet. Tokens are generated at a fixed rate and can be utilized to perform activities, such as sending messages.


<The recipient can specify the required token "tier," with each tier being generated at different intervals (e.g. 1 minute, 1 hour). This way, if a recipient experiences a high volume of messages, they can increase the token tier to make it more challenging to generate, thus reducing the flood.


https://docs.freenet.org/examples/antiflood-tokens.html
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 No.12577

>>12520
>Reminder that there is a revolving door between Cloudflare and US military and spook agencies.
Nice find, thank you.

>>12522
>what would you suggest as alternative strategy for mitigating DDoS?
I'll take DDoS over the NSA any day, thank you very much.

Other than that: more bandwidth and hardware, correctly configured fail2ban and maybe changing the DNS protocol to run over TCP to make the DNS traffic amplification attack impossible.

Furthermore I bet most serious DDoS attacks are done by the NSA in order to coerce companies to use fuckflare.
And by the CIA to get black budget through extortion.
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 No.12578

>>12577
Are you sure it's really possible to just weather DDoS ? I think that this would play out like in the middle ages with forts and castles getting besieged.

>more bandwidth and hardware

It's probably possible to tank it, however it's also really inefficient. On the level of society as a hole, you'd have a huge number of computers and network switches just turning electricity into waste-heat without any benefit, you want to maximize the compute and network resources dedicated to hosting content for actual users.

>correctly configured fail2ban and maybe changing the DNS protocol to run over TCP to make the DNS traffic amplification attack impossible.

Good for harm-reduction but not cures.

>I bet most serious DDoS attacks are done by the NSA in order to coerce companies to use fuckflare.

There could be a protection racket going on, but you probably are also underestimating the amount of determined people with petty motivations and the means to act on them.

To go back to my medieval metaphor. If your village gets besieged, Cloudflare is like a giant that comes and sits on the siege-forces until they give up. The giant is really effective at that but also big and scary.

Cloudflare might also have done something that benefits web-privacy recently:
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=vKc1w58nlvw
Let me know what you think about that.

It's my intuition that it should be possible to make a network protocol that stacks the decks against ddos. By that i mean that it imposes a big resource multiplier penalty. So for example if you need 1 network/compute-resource to host your site, it will take a attacker 100 network/compute-resources to ddos it. I've tried to search for something like academic papers that have analyzed this problem in depth, but i don't know what keywords to type into a search engine to find those. As soon as you add "ddos" to your search-query it'll just give you a million website-setup-tutorials. Such a hypothetical network-protocol would obviously not entirely prevent ddos attacks but it would negate the possibility to flood-fuck the entire network into systemic failure, which is theoretically possible with the current protocols. It would reduce ddos attacks in general too because many petty-actors would get priced out entirely.
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 No.12579

>>12578
Are you a chatgpt or just plain stupid?
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 No.12580

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>>12578
>>12579
Let me rephrase that:
Do you believe that the NSA is the correct solution to DDoS and what do you think about the Finders cult?
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 No.12581

>>12579
oh bother, no i'm not a robot.
>>12580
>Do you believe that the NSA is the correct solution to DDoS
Obviously not.

I think the point where we differ is the following:
You just want to turn off the DDos protection services cold turkey, because you don't trust it, and accept that websites will suffer outages.
I think that if we turn the current method of DDoS protection off, we should find something better to replace it with first.

>what do you think about the Finders cult?

This is the first time i heard of it. I did a superficial online search and it seems to have been a CIA cult that did child-trafficking. Care to elaborate how this is related ?
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 No.12583

Just learn to use your bookmarks and stop using central services for shit. Of course huge websites use CDN and Cloudflare, thowe are copes for being unsustainablely big.
>Stop using search engines.
>Stop attempting to look at reddit threads.
>Bookmark websites of hentai artists you like that have them.
>Make your own website to share stuff by hyperlinking to it.
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 No.12588

>>12583
Good advice but in some cases avoiding CloudFlare is not so easy for the average human. Many crypto trading sites use it, and some legacy banks too.
This is totally illegal ofc, at least in Europe, probably everywhere on earth.
idgaf about laws but it is also immoral as fuck and if police wasn't protecting the criminals then anyone who uses CloudFlare for any kind of serious website would get lynched as soon as people found out they were victims of a MITM attack and the site operator fucking knew about it.

CF's business model is unsustainable and can only exist because of government violence and taxpayer subsidy.

>>12581
>I think that if we turn the current method of DDoS protection off, we should find something better to replace it with first.
You realize there is DDoS protection other than letting the NSA read your password and all data in cleartext, right?

>If your village gets besieged, Cloudflare is like a giant that comes and sits on the siege-forces until they give up. The giant is really effective at that but also big and scary.

This is the most outlandish reason I ever heard for why to allow MITM attacks.

Care to elaborate who would get robbed, raped, murdered and his house burned down if we can't shitpost on leddit for a day?

What website is so critical for mankind's survival that it is worth having a not very trustworthy CDN provider read everything that happens there in cleartext?
Just give a single example please where the cost-benefit ratio is on CloudFlare's side.


>CIA cult that did child-trafficking. Care to elaborate how this is related ?

See >>12576 for why I asked.
Actually it even is related to this topic - albeit tangentially - because this is what your big scary giant does in his spare time. See the history of the finders (Derrick Broze did a good job on that), Tracy Twyman's death and the Youtube is facilitating the sexual exploitation of children blah blah documentary by the guy who fell asleep fapping to yoga videos and waking up to softcore child porn.
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 No.12590

I feel ya. Been online since 98. Had fun with a 4 MB RAM comp. So not to mention even Linux distros are requiring GBs to run. Win 3.11 + DOS install was all like 15 MBs. had wild west WWW, vids, audio, games. EVERYTHING IS UNNECESSARILY
BLOATED AF!
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 No.12621

>>12590
>even Linux distros are requiring GBs to run
Many do indeed, but there's also ultra light weigh distros that use between 50 to 100 megs of ram.
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 No.12623

>>12621
With only a terminal perhaps. But with a functional graphical desktop? I don't know of any that are that light, ~300-400MB seems about the minimum nowadays. And you can add GBs more if you have to use the fucking web for anything.
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 No.12628

>>12623
>With only a terminal perhaps. But with a functional graphical desktop?
There are some ultra light weight Distros that have a graphical window manager. Those obviously aren't fully featured desktop environments, they're quite barren by comparison, but they can be used like a "normal desktop" with a mouse as the primary input device. TinyCore and SLiTaz come to mind they're intended to run on system with 100megs of ram.
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 No.12652

>>12621
>>12628
Just stop.

Modern Linux distros are bloated as fuck, from the kernel all the way up.

Everything is fucking bloated in the current day and age.
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 No.12653

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>>12652
Tiny Core Linux with a graphical desktop is 23 MB
http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html

How the fuck is that bloated ?
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 No.12655

>>12653
>How the fuck is that bloated ?
Who the fuck cares about your useless barebones distro retard? How about you install okular on it and look how it pulls all of the kde deps retard?

It is bloated because even fucking OpenWRT needs more and more flash to keep up with the kernel size. Soon even 8MB won't be enough.
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 No.12656

>>12655
>How about you install okular on it and look how it pulls all of the kde deps
If you are using a minimalist distro like tiny core you probably are using a very low spec computer and would probably use the
pdftotext
or
pdf2djvu
pdf document converter, because displaying txt and djvu files are easier on system resources.

I can kinda see your point tho. But what would you change to make programs "lean".
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 No.12658

>>12588
>Many crypto trading sites use it.
I think "stop using central services for shit" covers that, but
>and some legacy banks too.
is a valid point, any way you cut it you gotta interact with a bank, online or in person, and online is preferrable for many reasons. In such cases you can't go full Cloudflare free, but at the very least prioritize non-cloudflare sites where possible, and work toward ceasation of search engine usage, since having to tell search engines you are looking for something (no matter how much you may trust it at present moment) leads to a similar situation.
The more non-cloudflare sites you take well annotated notes on, the easier it'll be to find most information you could want without ever connecting to cloudflare or a search engine. And linking to stuff will make that easier for everyone.
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 No.12664

>>12658
>work toward ceasation of search engine usage

How do you do that ?
Are you running your own web-crawler/indexer ?
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 No.12665

In a sense I *am* the web crawler, or "surfer" as the ancient ones called it. I keep text documents that have the urls sites that lead to other sites. Wikis, blogs, documentation, etc. with notes. If I know something is on a site, I go to that site specifically. If I do have to use a search engine, I add it to a publically accessable log on my wibsite so I never search anything I'm not okay with adding to that log for visitors to see, imagining that such a log is available to the search engine admin motivates me to not use them.
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 No.12667

>>12665
>I keep text documents that have the urls sites that lead to other sites. Wikis, blogs, documentation, etc. with notes. If I know something is on a site, I go to that site specifically.
This sounds like solid advice, basically like a more useful form of surf-history.

>If I do have to use a search engine, I add it to a publically accessable log on my wibsite so I never search anything I'm not okay with adding to that log for visitors to see, imagining that such a log is available to the search engine admin motivates me to not use them.

This however only amounts to practical advice.

You're dealing with surveillance via a kind of self-censorship. Maybe it's possible to salt your search queries by mixing your genuine queries with additional random ones, to dilute the profiling.
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 No.12669

>>12667
>You're dealing with surveillance via a kind of self-censorship.
Kinda, it fells like walking along a low traffic street to avoid someone looking for you on main street, it may be a shorter and more scenic route. I've been having more fun this way.
>Maybe it's possible to salt your search queries by mixing your genuine queries with additional random ones, to dilute the profiling.
Good idea, maybe I could pull a few random wikipedia pages, add the subjects to a list, shuf -n 1, then look up the subject that comes up. (that way It's not immediately after rolling it from wiktpedia)

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