/tech/ - Technology

So my first question is: What will you do, if Youtube will succeed with their crackdown on invidious and third party apps? It seems, they are intensifying their efforts more and more.

If this horseshit passes will we still be able to know which sites are collaborators via warrant canaries?

>>12989
>What will you do, if Youtube will succeed with their crackdown on invidious and third party apps?
Continue to direct people to PeerTube obviously.

>>12988
Computer generated data is increasing relative to actual human related data. And the computer generated stuff is getting better at mimicking human data. Eventually human related data will disappear in the noise. The dragnet will obviously seek to discard non-human data, but then that will become the new place to hide.

>>12990
I never understood the deal with gag orders in the firs place. If they compel people to lie on behalf of the glowies, that doesn't prevent people from being terrible liars that get found out.

>>12991
yeah probably this

>>12995
Someone was already testing this out on us several months ago.

>>12996
Really?! Can you please share screenshots/links?

>>12996
<generate credible extremist sentences
Get a load of this anti-democracy rhetoric.
Political opinions that deviate from the mainstream narrative propagandized as X-treem.

"diluting a community", goes on the list of censorship mechanisms.

>>12996
There was an AI-poster where every post had ai-gen images and generic ruling ideology content, do you mean that ?

Less than a week ago somebody tried posting generic unrelated chitchat comments to slide the Ukraine thread, that might fit the pattern too.

While being on leftyogre, I was really surprised/shocked, that alot of people there seem to underestimate the potential of AI to undermine the site. Alot of people on leftyogre believe, that their board is "too irrelevant", to become a target of bots. Are they really that naive or are they actually glowing?

>>12999
>Alot of people on leftyogre believe, that their board is "too irrelevant", to become a target of bots.
From a rational perspective that assumption may be correct.
>Are they really that naive or are they actually glowing?
It's somebodies job to roll out that propaganda, and they likely don't care about efficiency as long as they get payed.

>>12998
>>12997
I only vaguely remember images, but around 5-6 months ago there was definitely someone feeding prompts to a language model to spam threads with vacuous essays.

I began to realize that our resident schizoposter actually functions in a similar manner: they make me want to immediately scroll past posts with large bodies of text instead of wasting my time engaging with them.

>>13001
>I only vaguely remember images, but around 5-6 months ago there was definitely someone feeding prompts to a language model to spam threads with vacuous essays.
Yeah that one was kind of obvious.

>I began to realize that our resident schizoposter actually functions in a similar manner: they make me want to immediately scroll past posts with large bodies of text instead of wasting my time engaging with them.
Keep in mind this may be a method.
I read a book by a guy who figured out how to track spy-satellites (like back in the 80s) and correlate it with publicly available information about military deployments. He made incredibly accurate guesses about really secret happenings. But half the book was rants about aliens and raving mad diatribes. I'm convinced he put the crazy in there on purpose to avoid rousing suspicions.

>>13002
>this may be a method
Seems to me that such a method is inverted. Raving delusional rants are off-putting to everyone else, only spooks whose job it is to read this crap will do so. You're filtering the audience you actually want to read if such a thing were deliberate.

>>12999
>does .org glow?
No fucking way you actually asked this. .org is nothing but a honeypot for leftards.

>>13004
In our age, all devices and services which are connected to the internet, are potential honeypots. You have to assume, everything is backdoored and controlled by glowies. Even so called alternatives like Linux or the Signal messenger, they all glow.

>>13006
<everything is lava
You are likely over exaggerating, but you are not wrong the glows likely compromised security on a lot of digital technology.

But things are always changing, if there is a glow-tendency there also is a de-glow tendency.

>>13007
No, I'm not over exaggerating. The more time is progressing, the more I see how fucked ICT are. The recent xz scandal is just the tip of the iceberg. The so called alternative to big tech is rotten to the core (or to the kernel if you like). Linux is controlled by Microsoft, Mozilla is controlled by Google (which controls RiseUp), the CEOs of signal are WEF people. It is soooo over.

>>13008
Please spare me the demoralizing wining.

These are technology projects, if the people involved are constructively minded engineers and tech-enthusiast that want to have and build nice things. We'll get really secure digital systems that work reliably and well.

As soon as we get the kind of people that are looking for keys to power, they will mess with stuff, inject breakage, insecurity and what not. This is the problem we have now. Computers are just tools for doing computations, but some people want it to be something else. In the end they cause defects in our systems.

One point is that we have to convince the police to get off the surveillance train, that is causing them to demand "backdoors" which really are just security-holes. It's not going to help them fight actual crime. Most organized crime isn't based on stealth, they are bribing and black-mailing compricials, (compromised officials). These structures can exert the capacity to manipulate surveillance records, the same way Al-Capone made witnesses change their testimony.

Forensics technology counters that type of organisation much better. There are people trying to build sophisticated portable scanners that lean towards the scientific and empirical. Those projects are starved for funding, because they only get crowdfunding from a few scifi-fans who want future-gadgets. If the police could pivot from snooping to measuring, and let go of the creepy stalking in favor of forensic investigating, they could reallocate their tech-toys-budgets towards those devices. It would improve things for everybody. They get better results and we'll have fewer holes in our computers.

>xz-lib
That was actually a big success for open source. Somebody spend years slithering into a position where they could do a lot of damage and it was foiled by some random guy investigating a suspicious artifact over a week-end. Obviously you are right there probably is more shit like that going on, and new mitigation strategies have to be devised to reduce the attack surface.

>>13009
Surveillance isn't about catching anyone, it's about social control.

>>13008
>Google (which controls RiseUp)
I have long believe that riseup is some kind of spook operation, but you're going to need to supply some actual evidence for this assertion.

>>13013
Oh, so you're asserting that Mozilla controls Riseup because they donate to them and thus Google controls Riseup because Mozilla is controlled opposition to Google.

>>13011
>Surveillance isn't about catching anyone, it's about social control.
I know that, i'm not daft, but there is legit police work that tries to catch real criminals like murderers and stuff. The surveillance system likely isn't helping much with that, and might even be a hindrance if it misleads investigations towards dead ends (lets face it, powerful people likely can interfere with that stuff, when they get investigated).

If we make technology tools that actually help with investigations, like portable forensic scanners. The part of the police that's doing the actual policing (i.e. not cynical social control) probably will favor using these tools, and then procurement budgets shift away from surveillance towards forensics.

The Surveillance system is some kind of liberty hostile infrastructure, it would be an enormous improvement if that got replaced with guys holding a hightech tricorders that scan for clues and evidence. The political struggle against the encroachment of surveillance on privacy will go a lot easier if regular police doesn't give a shit, because they got better toys anyway.

>>13014
Basically. Google is funding Mozilla and Mozilla is funding Riseup. In essence, Riseup is a Google service.

So this fucking bullshit passed.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/us-senate-and-biden-administration-shamefully-renew-and-expand-fisa-section-702-0

What's next for the internet?

>>13019
https://archive.ph/20240422172830/https://www.wired.com/story/section-702-reauthorization-expansion/

>Legal experts—including a rare few attorneys who’ve argued cases before the FISA court in the past—say the new ECSP text ensnares owners of facilities housing equipment used to store and carry data, as well as commercial landlords and virtually anyone with access to communications equipment in those spaces. The text, they argue, may be interpreted by the government as granting it authority to compel the assistance of “delivery personnel, cleaning contractors, and utility providers,” among others.
How they can reconcile forcing normal people to become spies, is hard to fathom. Ethically and strategically, it sure is egregious, however abusing people like that, fosters malicious compliance.
>Criticism of the 702 program largely stems from revelations of abuse in a declassified court filing from 2022, which describes rampant misuse of the 702 database by the FBI. Investigators at the bureau have been caught unlawfully scouring 702 data for information on American protesters, journalists, and political donors.
This type of hard persecution is what kills the legitimacy.

>What's next for the internet?
it's hard to predict technological trends, a new counter strategy to surveillance extremism might be increasing data noise, if enough useless data clogs up the system, that might mitigate the harm it does.

Good post by Kevin Gosztola on the recent history of domestic spying with a foreign pretext:
https://thedissenter.org/biden-expands-ranks-government-spies/

Seems like one of the aims of this bill is to go after Gaza genocide protestors by pretending they're Hamas.

>>13024
>Seems like one of the aims of this bill is to go after Gaza genocide protestors by pretending they're Hamas.
Peak Zionism ended a while ago, the political pendulum had already begun swinging in the other direction. The Zionists going full retard with the mass-murdering are accelerating that process. And it's not just mass-politics that are changing, the militarized Zionism project is more trouble than it's worth in material terms as well. Soon everything tied to it will become politically tainted.

https://noyb.eu/en/ag-cjeu-facebook-must-minimize-personal-data-ads-eu
Here's an interesting case about minimizing personal data collection and retention.

This ties in well with what i think the near future privacy politics will become, where people consider data related to people as analogous to some kind radioactive waste material.