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 No.13402[Watch Thread]>>13408

For an entire month now, Cloudflare has been discriminating against alternative web browsers to the Google hegemony by refusing to "verify" them as legitimate browsers through their browser check loop. On some browsers this has been blatantly malicious by designing the loop to hang indefinitely while it rapidly consumes all of the user's memory until a program crash. This has included Palemoon, Librewolf, Waterfox, IceCat, Seamonkey, Falkon, and more. Basically it seems like anything that isn't a subservient Chrome fork or Firefox itself is being gatekept out of the web by Cloudflare. The likelihood that this is being done deliberately is high because a) they have been doing it for an entire month, b) the entire time they have refused to respond to developers reaching out asking them to fix it, and c) Cloudflare themselves have stated that their secret proprietary methods of fingerprinting "human" browsers are tailor-fit to each browser. Some links following this story:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32045
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42953508
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=25/02/07/044225
http://techrights.org/n/2025/02/20/Instead_of_DoS_Protection_Cloudflare_is_Allegedly_Conducting_Do.shtml

In only the span of a few years, DDoS "protection" services have grown to exert so much control over the web that they can now play kingmakers in browser competition and coerce user choice. We need a solution to the DDoS protection racket more than ever. What can be done about this?
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 No.13403>>13408

This seems to be the basis for a class-action lawsuit under anti-trust law.
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 No.13407

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Month? This has been the case for years. Cloudfare are an enemy, yes. We should do something about it, don't know what though, other than noise
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 No.13408

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>>13403
Not a lawyer, but I would think it might be hard to argue if there isn't really anything preventing someone from buying up blocks of IP addresses and selling MITM load balancing. The popularity of shitty services seems to be an accident of business.

Beyond that, there is obviously advantage to doing fingerprinty stuff to filter bots. The obscure browsers are going to take time to work around, and that's not even if they are less fingerprinty.

We need something beyond browser fingerprints, or even IP addresses.

>>13402 (OP)

A cool idea that has been banging around in my head (and some other heads) for a while is a proof of humanity based on peer-to-peer web of trust. There are projects that work semi-centralized like this, saves the cost of PoW for a local blockchain.

It would be cool if it were so prevalent that you just centralize around yourself- "you" being the web server that wants to filter bots. They send you some signature chain that shows they are vouched for by a chain of people… people who you, transitively, trust enough to serve them a page.

But this would mean the end user has to store a private key securely… which I have a feeling is somehow a psychotic expectation, even if we could cheaply revoke them.

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