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 No.13647

I have been wanting to learn cybersecurity, but I want to get into the ways of the darker stuff. I thought I'd console people on a forum or some shit, cause they'd probably have info. Thanks!
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 No.13648

Learn how to use I2P. The For network is a honeypot as there are ways ISPs can break your anonymity and it's just over a very brittle security model that's easy to accidentally break
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 No.13649

>>13648
*Tor network
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 No.13650

>>13648
>>13649
>t. glowuyghur
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 No.13651

Cybersecurity can mean a lot of different things.
I'm guessing you mean either "red team" or "black hat" with "darker stuff", look up those terms and then specify which one you want.

Stay away from I2P regardless.
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 No.13652

IDS/IPS
Virtual Labs
APT number random PDF
CVE names and types
Social Engineering
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 No.13653

>>13648
The tor network is not a honeypot you moronic fucking retard. I hope whoever started spreading these memes about tor in the early 2020's gets raped by a hive of japanese hornets.
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 No.13654

>>13650
Projection
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 No.13655

>>13653
It is and several people using it have already been prosecuted. Cops and glowies do nothing but scrape it 24/7.
The NSA has already been caught running exit nodes and stripping anonymity of users.
TOR was originally developed by the US Navy and they just out right said that the only reason they let the public use it was to obfuscate the traffic of their own spies.
They do not care about your security, you are there to he cannon fodder.
I2P and Freenet are much more secure.
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 No.13656

>>13655
>several people using it have already been prosecuted
Several people using it have already gone without being prosecuted.
>Cops and glowies do nothing but scrape it 24/7.
Yeah, LE knows about Tor, but they also know about I2P.
>The NSA has already been caught running exit nodes
Yeah, the protocol is designed so that doesn't matter
>originally developed by the US Navy
Not a bad thing.
>They do not care about your security
Doesn't matter what they care about.
>I2P and Freenet are much more secure
You're assuming the conclusion, without an argument.
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 No.13657

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>>13655
No they haven't. You have zero idea what you are talking about. If you give me an example of an average individual user being prosecuted for a failure in the tor network itself I will literally send you 100$ in BTC.
There is a known vulnerability on the server side in which you can flood the tor network and compare user statistics with suspected websites that have a clearnet ip as well, but, there has not been anyone arrested because of a DIRECT failure in the network itself. You are a retard babbling about shit they understand nothing about.

>Tor was originally developed by the us navy.

The whole internet was developed as a means to communicate long distances by the US government. Lots of things "were" developed by the us government but we will use them. Better stop using that microwave! The government developed microwave technology back in the 1950s. That's what you sound like, a complete retard.

Now is i2p more secure than tor? Yes, but, tor is perfectly fine for anyone looking for secure browsing.
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 No.13658

>>13656
>>13657
Investigations in the so-called darknet: Law enforcement agencies undermine Tor anonymisation
https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/panorama/aktuell/Investigations-in-the-so-called-darknet-Law-enforcement-agencies-undermine-Tor-anonymisation,toreng100.html

https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/what-you-need-to-know-about-tor-browser-and-anonymity/52549/
>In September, German intelligence services identified a Tor user. How did they do it? The key to their success was data obtained through what’s called “timing analysis”.
>How does this analysis work? Law enforcement agencies monitor Tor exit nodes (the final nodes in the chains that send traffic to its destination). The more Tor nodes the authorities monitor, the greater the chance a user hiding their connection will use one of those monitored nodes. Then, by timing individual data packets and correlating this information with ISP data, law enforcement can trace anonymous connections back to the end Tor user — even though all Tor traffic is encrypted multiple times.
To actually be truly anonymous on Tor you need to be running your own node. Which the average user doesn't even understand.
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 No.13659

>>13658
And you need to never ever ever ever access a clearnet site with the Tor Browser even though the fucking thing lets you. Another limitation users don't understand.
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 No.13660

>>13658
My point exactly you glow uyghur retard.
The first link, again, has nothing to do with the actual network itself. You are a reatard. The FBI locating and taking control of a server and using it as a honey pot is not the tor network itself being compromised.

The second link is only possible if you us tor EXIT nodes. Which has been known for decades at this point. Real smart individuals just don't use tor exit nodes. You have zero idea what you are talking about and you will just cont to babble on regardless of what I say or how stupid I make you look.
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 No.13661

>>13658
>You have to be running your own node.?

Again you literally have no understanding about what you are talking about. The loudest one in the room is typically the most ignorant, it's true.
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 No.13662

>>13660
Half the nodes are run by glowies and cops. The average person doesn't understand this.
Also there ISP level attacks that can attack Tor. This is what Russia uses against its dissidents. Yeah, it requires nation state level authority but people think it's immune to that too.
https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity15/technical-sessions/presentation/sun
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 No.13663

>>13660
I said the model is extremely brittle. Read my posts illiterate glowie.
And the Tor Browser LET'S YOU VIEW CLEARNET SITES. Do you understand that it's dangerous to leave a loaded weapon out on the table for no good reason.
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 No.13664

>>13661
You dumb wigger. It's in their own fucking documentation. You can do correlation on entry nodes too which is why they randomize the entry nodes too. But if every entry node is controlled glowies, IT'S NOT RANDOM.
https://support.torproject.org/about-tor/how-tor-works/entry-guards/
>The solution is "entry guards": each Tor client selects a few relays at random to use as entry points, and uses only those relays for their first hop. If those relays are not controlled or observed, the attacker can't win, ever, and the user is secure. If those relays are observed or controlled by the attacker, the attacker sees a larger fraction of the user's traffic - but still the user is no more profiled than before. Thus, the user has some chance (on the order of (n-c)/n) of avoiding profiling, whereas they had none before.
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 No.13665

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>>13663
No you said it was a honey pot, lmfao.
Maybe people who can't shoot guns shouldn't get a gun. I get what you are saying but I didn't say it was perfect. I said it was totally applicable as an alternative to the more complicated I2P.
I2P actually let's you visit clearnet sites too if you know how to do it. They have I think 2, maybe, one exit node on their network.

>>13662
No half the nodes are not run by glowies You are a fucking retar aswell.
Even if that were the case that would only matter if the ENTRY nodes were controlled by the glowies. That is kind of the whole point of the set up, retard. You would need entry and exit nodes to be controlled by the glowies and A: Just don't use exit nodes and B: Even then every node in the chain is completely isolated from the previous node. So it doesn't matter anyways.

That is the whole point of the tor network.
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 No.13666

>>13664
You are a fucking retard and have no idea what you are even reading.

Comfy posting from tor right now uyghur.
Really the face you morons are here still having these debunked conversations is testament to how well the propaganda campaigns have been working.
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 No.13667

>>13665
It's a honeypot because it gives you a false sense of security and does not make clear it's very pronounced limitations.
Sorry, you're ESL so you need these obvious logical reasoning spelled out for you.
>No half the nodes are not run by glowies You are a fucking retar aswell.
Yes they are, and even if they aren't you agree some are yeah? So there's always a risk you'll connect to one yeah? Why are you discouraging people from running their own node. It's literally a few command docker commands.
>>13666
You cluck on like an old hen. You haven't refitted ANYTHING I've said.
Here's the break down.
For Tor to be secure you have to:
Never use clear net (even though it fucking let's you).
Never connect to a rouge node. Of which there are many.
Never use plugins (which again it allows).
Never torrent or stream. Which to be fair it blocks but just shows how vulnerable to timing attacks it is.
And then even after all that you're still vulnerable to ASN ISP level attacks.
Counter these points or STFU
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 No.13668

>>13667
Freenet and I2P avoid all this just by making stay in their encrypted network.
And I2P uses garlic routing which even if someone does a timing attack on you, your traffic is mixed in with a bunch of other users on the same timing. They gotta sort that out by getting timing on their other traffic too.
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 No.13669

>>13664
That isn't what a honeypot has ever ment and now that you have been publicly humiliated you are back peddling trying to redefine what you ment.
They very much do document everything that is required and if you dont read the docs, or, the man page you are a fucking retard.

>Yes they are,

No they aren't.

Even if some are captured by the feds and, sure, I will grant you tht yes some deff are, again, due to the nature of tor, which, if you actually understood you would understand why this is a moot point. even if they control nodes on the network it doesn't matter because in order to get any pertinent information off them they would need to control entry nodes which, if you understood, again, how it works, entry nodes are hand selected but tor project board which rotates every 2 years or so. It's totally irrelevent. Nodes being captured was already accounted for from the very inception of tor.

>Never use clear net (even though it fucking let's you).

i2p let's you use the clear net too.
>Never connect to a rouge node. Of which there are many.
Completely moot point as I already discribed.
>Never use plugins (which again it allows).
Another moot point because the plugins that tor does allow you to use are opensource and audited by the tor staff.
>Never torrent or stream. Which to be fair it blocks but just shows how vulnerable to timing attacks it is.
If you aren't smart enough to not use exit nodes you aren't smart enough to torrent over tor.

I literally countered all of your points multiple times in the conversation and you still sit here regurgitating talking points you don't understand.

Nothing is ever going to be 100% secure. NOTHING not i2p, not qubes, not anything. It's about maximizing your security on the internet and what ever network you happen to be connected to which is why yes i2p is superior to tor, but, tor is a perfectly acceptable client to use for anonymity.
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 No.13670

>>13668
Freenet is dog shit. The only way to really be secure on freenet is by building an P2P intranet that is hosted by you and your friends, but, other than that there have been issues with freenet since the day it was created.It' mostly used by pedos and you have to download and store that data onto your computer if you want to access the network. Even if it is encrypted fuck that. I'll use tor all day compared to that POS.
You also, again, have no understanding of what you are talking about because timing correlation attacks literally only work if they have access to an exit node. Don't use exit nodes and do illegal shit it's that simple.
You don't even fundamentally understand the difference between tor and i2p "routing" im pretty sure you are just vomiting out terms you heard on youtube last tuesday, i'm sure.

You think i2p doesn't have vulnerabilities? I got bad news for you. I hope you use i2pd and not i2p.
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 No.13671

>>13669
>Hur dur that's not what honey pot means.
STFU turbo autismo, no one gives a fuck about that.
>i2p let's you use the clear net too.
No it doesn't. There is no traffic going between I2P and the clearnet. There are no exit nodes on I2P. All traffic on I2P, STAYS ON I2P. Just because you got a clearnet site open in another tab doesn't mean traffic is exiting I2P
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 No.13672

>>13669
Your candyass didn't say anything about the ASN attacks on Tor. Refute everything choom.
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 No.13673

>>13670
Haha the only thing of substance you've said is that Freenet is hard to set up.
>It' mostly used by pedos
Haha this is how I know you're a glowie. This is what every glowie says about encrypted networks. As if the clearnet is free of CP.
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 No.13674

>>13668
>Has no rebuttable now and has just resorted to screaming like a chimp and throwing his shit around the room.

>There are no exit nodes. Yes there are you just can't use them by default. Now you really are showing how ignorant you actually are. Everyone knows i2p has exit nodes that can be activated.

Also hey retard I have some news for you:

All traffic on tor STAYS on tor as well. You realize when you visit a .onion link none of that leaves the tor network right?

>Cross lurking clearnet and i2p.

This is actually one of the dumbest things you can do on tor and or i2p. You understand cookies can fingerprint your browser right?

>>13672
Are you seriously this fucking stupid? Yes I Did

>>13658
As I said you cannot give me any example of the network itself being comprimised. Timing correlation attacks are not an issue with the network itself, but, are a natural result of using anonymizing software. You could do the same thing on any platform.that allows you to route your traffic through a tunnel and exit out into the clearnet. You aren't making the arguments you think you are.

Also it was super funny because you said "You have to be running your own node to be anonymous!" Which is hilariously myopic and naive. Because, again, no node on the tor network knows anything about the previous node in the chain. Not to mention that running your own node, which I have, doesn't mean you will route through your own node by default, lmao. Like I Said you are talking out of your ass.
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 No.13675

>>13673
haha you are a retard I know because you can't actually respond to the totality of an argument you just cherry pick the most hyperbolic things that were said to you and attack a strawman of that.

You can lie about tor being control by the feds but I can't point out the fact that freenet is used by like 10 people are most of them are pedophiles, oh, and on top of that you have to download sed cp onto your machine.
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 No.13676

>>13674
>Also it was super funny because you said "You have to be running your own node to be anonymous!" Which is hilariously myopic and naive
Again with you're autism. I obviously meant your own entry node because that's what I've been talking about this whole thread, correlation on entry nodes.
I2P and freenet just side step this whole issue by not even using entry or exit nodes.
The whole architecture of Tor is for spies who cannot cooperate with others or marshal their own resources, to give Intel to the US.
That's why Tor is such ballocks. It's not built at all for someone trying to stay anonymous from their own gov.
Just from it's core philosophy Tor is broken.
Stop acting so smug, you are not BTFOing anyone. The teddy bears you talk to aren't real people.
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 No.13677

>>13676
No you didn't you lying little faggot, lmao.
You can't run an entry node" Because that isn't how Entry nodes, "Guard nodes" Function. You can't just set up an entry node they have to be approved but the board of directors over seeing the tor network.

You're such a worthless little faggot. You're just rolling around in your own shit right now flinging it all over the place because you don't like that you have been so thoroughly, publicly, humiliated.
Worthless retard glow uyghur faggot.
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 No.13678

>>13675
>Still won't address ASN attacks.
Telling
>>13674
>This is actually one of the dumbest things you can do on tor and or i2p.
So me on the goddamn architecture of I2P where encrypted traffic is leaving the encrypted network for the clearnet like Tor. JUST GODDAMN SHOW ME. FUCK YOUR GOALPOST MOVING.
>>13674
>As I said you cannot give me any example of the network itself being comprimised.
Rogue Nodes Turn Tor Anonymizer Into Eavesdropper's Paradise (Wired)
https://lwn.net/Articles/248978/
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 No.13679

>>13678
I addressed them three times now, but, you are obviously too dumb to understand even basic english.

>So me on the goddamn architecture of I2P where encrypted traffic is leaving the encrypted network for the clearnet like Tor. JUST GODDAMN SHOW ME. FUCK YOUR GOALPOST MOVING.

What the fuck are you even talking about you retard. This wasn't even a coherent sentence.

>MUH EXIT NODES MUH EXIT NODES BRROOOOO THE EXIT NODES

you know that when you visit a .onion link you don't exit the tor network right? Are you aware of that? That you never use an exit node in that instance?
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 No.13680

>>13679
>What the fuck are you even talking about you retard. This wasn't even a coherent sentence.
Having a cleanet site open while using I2P doesn't mean traffic is moving between I2P and the clearnet like it does with Tor you absolute nonce. That's what you said and you are fucking retarded.
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 No.13681

>>13680
It doesn't have to be.
using the same browser on both is a vulnerability.
Your browser tracks your activity and sends it off to development VIA headers. Cross Contamination can happen via calls for headers if you have a tab open that is i2p/tor.
That's why most people suggest using i2p with the tor browser.
Retard.

>If you disagree with me you're a pedophile

HAHAHA god damn you are pathetic, really.
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 No.13682

>>13679
>I addressed them three times now, but, you are obviously too dumb to understand even basic english.
NO U FUCKING DIDN'T
Just link to the post where you did. Yeah, that's right you won't. Because you didn't it's some bullshit non answer where you think smugness is a technical answer.
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 No.13683

>>13682
*Because if you did.
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 No.13684

>>13682
>>13660
>>13665
>>13674

I fucking addressed you at least 4 times.
The issue is you have no idea what you are talking about, though, so you probably can't understand why my rebuttal was correct.
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 No.13685

>>13684
NONE OF THESE POSTS ADDRESS ASN ATTACKS
FUCK YOU
ADDRESS THIS
https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity15/technical-sessions/presentation/sun
ADDRESS ASN ATTACKS

ADDRESS ASN ATTACKS

ADDRESS ASN ATTACKS

READ THIS PAPER BEFORE OPENING YOUR MOUTH AGAIN
https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity15/technical-sessions/presentation/sun
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 No.13686

>>13685
YES THEY ARE YOU FUCKING MORON BECAUSE NOT USING EXIT NODES IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR FUCKING RETARDED BULLSHIT

as I said like 50 fucking times. The only example you have is the same example glow uyghur retards have pulled out since the dawn of time "muh exit nodes uh exit nodes" When no one who knows anything uses exit nodes and even still they STILL have to have control over the whole fucking chain which is, statistically, impossible. The entry, exit and middle nodes are all randomized. You are a retard who cannot understand anything let alone very simple statistical probability.


Everything you are saying has been refuted in this thread, and since the dawn of time. It's pretty much self refuting you dumb fuck.
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 No.13687

>>13686
The ASN supersedes anything you can do with the nodes. You obviously don't understand what an ASN much less how the attack works.
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 No.13688

>>13687
no it doesn't you fucking imbecile. It even says in your own paper that you can correlate traffic by controlling entry and exit nodes which has been known about for ever. But that is irrelevant because it doesn't apply to the actual internal architecture of tor itself.

No one has ever been arrested for being de anonymized and then vanned by visiting an .onion link. It hasn't happened. You don't fucking know jack shit about jack shit so
I wouldn't be talking about knowing anything when you can't even fucking read basic English.

If you can explain how you can and not just throw links at people then you need to go get your noble prize is computational science.
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 No.13689

>>13688
Yes it does, now STFU ya Nazi. I don't even know why y'all have that Nazbol flag.
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 No.13690

>>13689
>Yo….yo…you're a nazi!!

You have no argument at this point.
Is this eugenicskun? This is the most autistically obsessed anon I have seen in a whiel
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 No.13691

>>13690
Shut up Nazi. And yes I post stories in the eugenics tread. If you were actually smart you wouldn't be a Nazi haha
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 No.13692

>>13691
I knew it is is eugenicskun, lmfao.That explains everything.


>REEE YOU'RE A NAZI REEE REEE
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 No.13693

>>13692
Silence Nazi. And you hate the eugenics thread because it exposes your collaborators. All Nazis will get the wall during the revolution.
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 No.13695

>>13693
>everyone I disagree with is a nazi.

Classic.
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 No.13696

>>13695
It's literally in your flag's name Nazi Bolshevik
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 No.13698

>>13696
>The meme flag is to be taken super serious

Go back to reddit fag
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 No.13712

>>13698
>I'm only pretending to be retarded.
But you're so good at it.

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