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 No.251[View All]>>4297

ITT: Post your desktop
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 No.3767>>3770

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>>3765
Take the mint pill comrade
Its like Windows, but not fucking shit
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 No.3770>>3771

>>3767
It's like Xfce, except uses more resources and does less things.
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 No.3771>>3773

>>3770
>Uses more resources
Barely
>Does less things
It does less things in the most retarded 2008 way imaginable and makes less of an effort to look like absolute aids yes

Cinnamon doesn't have screen tearing, it doesn't look awful by default, it works consistently and is well polished, XFCE is a bit lighter
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 No.3773>>3774

>>3771
Cinnamon is even worse than Mint, I'm not sure I understand your argument.
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 No.3774>>3776

>>3773
XFCE and Cinnamon are Desktop environments
Mint is a distribution that comes with Cinnamon in its mainline release, though images with other DE's are available
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 No.3776>>3777

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>>3774
Wow how embarrassing, I had Mint confused with MATE for some reason. Well my point applies doubly so with Cinnamon. If you want weak customizability and a patronizing interface like modern Windows, Cinnamon is exactly what you want!
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 No.3777>>3779>>3798>>3803

>>3776
I'm not sure what you mean by patronising, the interface works, is unobtrusive, and works well, it is similar to the DE used in windows by default, but the same is true of many DE's including XFCE, and it can be customised quite easily, obviously not to the same extent as something like KDE, but much, much more than windows can be and as much or more than the bulk of users will actually want, for those that want to go further, other DE's will suit better

Its worth noting that XFCE use the exact same metaphor by default in most distros its rolled with, a taskbar, a context menu, an indicator panel etc, it just does it worse with more archaic defaults (you can't even open whisker menu with the super/win key in many distros out of the box) and more of the old school linux problems, like the aforementioned screen tearing on perfectly good hardware and horrible looking text

The standard Desktop metaphor has lasted because it works better than most metaphors, Mint has been successful because it works better than most distros, but if you like something else that's fine
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 No.3779>>3802>>3810

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>>3777
>I'm not sure what you mean by patronising
I mean shit like this. Giant "switch" buttons like you're some kind of fucking toddler too stupid to understand a simple checkbox. Windows brought this abomination to the world with Vista or 7 and it's fucking disgusting that certain Linux devs have tried to ape it. Holy shit I got pissed off again just searching for an image of this UI vomit.
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 No.3798

>>3777
The screen tearing was finally fixed in Xfce 4.14, though you could always use a 3rd party compositor anyway. True it has shitty defaults but I don't care about that. Cinnamon and MATE are fine too, whatever floats your boat. I'm curious which of the 3 will get Wayland support first.
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 No.3801>>3806

>>775
wallpaper sauce
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 No.3802

>>3779
but if it makes it easier to read, it's better
even if somewhat ugly.
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 No.3803

>>3777
real actual human beings who use computers like real people with brains only use window managers and everyone else is a subhuman retard because they don't program their very own personal idiodistro that is wholly esoteric to oneself because if you don't do that you practically don't even deserve the right to use a computer because really you're not even actually using it if you think about it honestly and that's why anyone who would dare ever even consider using a computer really ought to program it themselves otherwise they're totally unfree and are honestly wasting their time by not personally creating everything they could ever conceivably need to use from scratch and instead using stuff that other people made for them and are thus practically spoonfeeding to them because they are too weak to use a computer for real like a real computer using human being.
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 No.3810

>>3779
Its literally a slightly different way of presenting the same information, a switch slider provides the exact same information and functions the same as a checkbox, it merely looks slightly different

I hate to be patronising, but you do realise patronising is a word with a specific meaning, yes?
It doesn't just mean thing not to my taste
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 No.3811

>>3806
thank you based anon
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 No.3813>>3814>>3859>>3864

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gentoo gang
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 No.3814

>>3813
Lol, hey, I am doing my first build of that right now.
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 No.3859

>>3813
is that cava?
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 No.3864>>3867>>3916>>4284

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>>3813
ayo dwm + gentoo gang gang
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 No.3867>>3868

>>3864
>screenfetch
use neofetch. Screenfetch is absolutely awful.
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 No.3868

>>3867
I do have neofetch, it's an alias because of muscle memory
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 No.3916>>3921

>>3864
What wm is this? Looks like blackbose to me but not sure.
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 No.3921>>3931

>>3916
Dwm, fam.
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 No.3931

>>3921
Cheers bro. Sick of having xfce pushed on me and I used to be big into flux/blackbox. Will check this one out.
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 No.4284

>>3864
Can you post this wallpaper?
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 No.4286>>4292

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 No.4292>>4335

>>4286
how do you get the sitting waifu
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 No.4297

>>251 (OP)
>Applefag
Yikes.
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 No.4335

>>4292
It's an Open Source project called MaCoPiX
http://rosegray.sakura.ne.jp/macopix/index-e.html
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trying to make my own universal dark theme
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 No.6277>>6280

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Reviving the desktop thread. Here are some screenshots I took over time.
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 No.6278

>>828
I think you kinda just proved his point, not everyone knows how to dual boot or what a partition even is.
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 No.6279>>6280

All these cool looking windows and neat system monitors are the reason I wanna know how to use Linux, any good video series’ on how to use Linux to its max customizability for people who don’t know how to program or anything?
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 No.6280>>6281

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>>6279
I don't think there's a unified tutorial series for this. I'd suggest watching videos from various gnu/linux youtubers, like Luke Smith, Brodie Robertson, Mental Outlaw, DistroTube, etc. These make videos of varying quality, but they're the sort of content you're looking for. The 4/g/ wiki can also be a good resource, but it's kind of outdated. Maybe just ask questions on this thread/board, I'm sure people will help.

I'll give you one important piece of advice: distros don't matter. You don't have to install Gentoo, Arch or Void to rice it like these screenshots. Any distro will do, since all of them will allow you to install window managers and configure them. For starters, I'd suggest installing Linux Mint. It's quite simple and Wintoddler friendly, and can look nice with simple tweaks. See pic related, a screenshot I took of it a while back, when I was distrohopping before settling back on Arch. Of course you can kick it up a notch and start installing and configuring fancy window managers and all, after you get tired of the simple desktop. Mint is really good for those who have never used GNU/Linux, I started with it and back then I didn't even know what a package manager was, so very much a layman.

t. >>6277
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 No.6281>>6284

>>6280
I've been doing a little bit of reading, and what exactly makes a windows manager different from a desktop environment? does changing the desktop environment do more than just change the appearance?
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 No.6284>>6285>>6286

>>6281
Basically, Desktop Environments offer a complete desktop experience. The sort of 'normal' desktop experience most people have come to expect, from OSes like Windows, Mac, and most GNU/Linux distros. They're essentially a set of lots of different programs made by the same people, with the purpose of integrating together nicely. These programs tipically include: a window manager, a status/task bar, a nice login screen, a file manager, lots of little graphical programs for general daily usage, etc. People who say they're using 'stand-alone' window managers are essentially just making their own desktop environment, except they get to choose all the little programs that make up a desktop experience. So you choose what program will draw and manage your windows, what program will display your status bar, what program to manage your files, what terminal emulator, and so on.

It is important to note that the programs people use to make these set ups are usually very different from those offered by DEs. Usually DE programs are, well, made to be used with the DE. So all their configuration is handled by the DE's own 'settings app' or whatever, their features are made specifically to integrate with the DE, etc. The programs people usually use to make their own setups are a lot more standalone. They tend to use more universal interfaces rather than DE specific things, and are usually configured from their own configuration files, rather than some centralized UI. This allows for greater interchangeability: you don't have to change your window manager to change your status bar, for instance.

It's also worth a mention that DEs are not completely restricting either, unlike what I may have let on. Most DEs will allow you to use whatever terminal emulator you prefer as the default, and you can use whatever music player you want on any DE, etc etc. It's just that setting up a whole system from scratch usually yields in a more 'user-centric' experience, since the user gets to decide for themselves precisely which programs and settings to use to fit their uses and needs.
What makes these window manager setups, with standalone, interchangeable programs more desireable is precisely the fact that they're more barebones. They usually come with very simple configurations, and the user is left to figure things out. If you look at /g/ wiki's entry on GNU/Linux ricing, for example, you will see suggestions on all sorts of different programs to use, pic related. This is necessary, because all these features, which on a normal DE, come baked in, have to be set up from scratch.
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 No.6285

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>>6284
I forgot to post the pic I mentioned, it was this one:
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 No.6286>>6288

>>6284
Isn’t it pretty easy to change the appearance without radically changing the DE? I saw one video of a guy making xubuntu look exactly like windows 95 and it just looked like he put a skin on it.
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 No.6288

>>6286
Yes, you can change the GTK/QT theme for any DE. This gives you some degree of customization, it's pretty nice. More customizability than Windows or MacOS will give you, actually, all GNU/Linux programs allow for a fair degree of customization. But that level of customization is still limited when compared to manually configuring each program to be precisely what you want, like a custom WM setup would allow. WM setups aren't just about looks, but also about funcionality. Getting to choose each program and configure them gives you a big boost in customization of functionality.
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 No.8330

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>>775
>These motherfuckers can make Xfce look nice while mine looked like ass
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bump
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 No.10123

>>10122
>posting in the old desktop thread
Bruh
>Doom modeline
Double bruh
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 No.13523>>13524

Linux is mostly bullshit. I only use it cuz it's free and won't necessarily spy on me.

Everything else about it is bullshit hype.

It's not secure, it's horribly insecure. No one reads the fucking code. The only reason everyone's sshd doesn't have a backdoor is because a Windows engineer was concerned about ssh login times on Linux and found the backdoor.

Nearly every component of GNU and Linux is a bloated mess that requires studying 2 weeks of compiler tooling and other toolchain nonsense to modify software in a meaninful way and re-compile.

What percentage of linux users are actually reading the code of what they download and modifying it if it doesn't work the way they want to? Almost no one. Virtually no one.

An operating system that promotes true customizability and hacking would be much smaller, like Linux in the early 90s, and have almost nothing complex except the TCP/IP stack, and even that needs to be debloated.
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 No.13524>>13525

>>13523
>Linux is mostly bullshit.
>I only use it
The absolute state of techcels.
>It's not secure
Hack it then
>No one reads the fucking code
I've read and understood the btrfs fs code, seems OK. Took 6 months.
>requires studying 2 weeks of compiler tooling and other toolchain nonsense to modify software in a meaninful way and re-compile.
OK, and? Now you know how to build most programs under Linux, that's a huge step in the direction of being able to maintain things yourself and contribute. If you want an OS that has all the build systems easily available for you for all open source projects check out NixOS.
>What percentage of linux users are actually reading the code of what they download and modifying it if it doesn't work the way they want to? Almost no one. Virtually no one.
The entire thing is community built, there are hundreds of distros and hundreds of thousands of software packages that are being maintained. The kernel alone has thousands of volunteers. It being a small percentage of users is good, no? That just means that most users can use it without being coders.
>An operating system […] would be much smaller, like Linux in the early 90s
Can I ask why you need it to be smaller? What are you trying to do?
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 No.13525>>13526

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>>13524
you omitted this

" No one reads the fucking code. The only reason everyone's sshd doesn't have a backdoor is because a Windows engineer was concerned about ssh login times on Linux and found the backdoor."

While xz was not strictly part of Linux, every Linux distro relied on it, and because no one read the fucking commits, everyone's sshd was backdoored on tons of distros, and it would have been all distros if not for some bored Microsoft engineer tinkering with login times. And guess where the backdoor was? In the compiler tooling!. It was so complex and obtuse no one wanted to read it, even those who understand GNU autohell, and a backdoor was "open sourced" into it!

Just because you read the btrfs code doesn't mean you have addressed any of the 1,608 open Linux bugs found by a fuzzing tool found by a fuzzing bot alone.

The number of open Linux bugs increases (not decreases) in total each month, for decades, with very few getting fixed.

> Hack it then


Yes, while the Linux kernel likely has hundreds of exploits that utilize any number of known bugs, and Linux 0 days only go for a few thousand dollars, it's not worth my time.

I'm the one saying Linux is a giant pile of iredeemable garbage from a security perspective, not yourself so far.


> Can I ask why you need it to be smaller? What are you trying to do?


A kernel that doesn't have thousands of confirmed bugs.
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 No.13526>>13527>>13528

>>13525
>everyone's sshd was backdoored on tons of distros
Stop spreading FUD. It was a few beta versions of distros and they FOUND THE BACKDOOR. That's an argument FOR their process not against it.

Security is a process. Linux is relatively secure and fixes critical bugs really quickly, they have a better track record than Microsoft.

I'm not sure you can even have fully secure software without formal verification, so if you want
>A kernel that doesn't have thousands of confirmed bugs.
You don't have a ton of options other than seL4

Personally I'd rather have a system that lets me be productive.
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 No.13527>>13529

>>13526
No one in the linux community found the backdoor, it was a database engineer working for microsoft. Additionally, he didn't even find it by looking at the code.

I already linked you a chart showing the number of Linux kernel bugs has increased 800% in 8 years
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 No.13528

>>13526
also the implication that testing or unstable versions of distros are not widely used in production is cute. Sometimes it's the only way to get a wide variety of updated packages for a particular distribution.

But forget all that, Arch Linux also rolled the ssh backdoor into stable lol
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 No.13529>>13530

>>13527
>No one in the linux community found the backdoor, it was a database engineer working for microsoft.
So that guy isn't counted as part of the linux community because of his employment ? That doesn't check out.

>the number of Linux kernel bugs has increased

to be fair there was an increase in hardware support and lots of changes to the low-level software stack.

Also all the problems you see in free open source, also exist in propriety software, except it's much worse.

But you still kinda have a point, we want the direction to be towards fewer bugs. Realistically that requires better tools. Just telling people to make fewer mistakes, usually doesn't work.
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 No.13530

>>13529
Linux is a bloated, insecure, community-hyped mess. Free Software is fine in philosophy, but Linux in particular isn’t living up to its supposed strengths.

The complexity of the associated utilities and compiler tooling hides backdoors, and discourages participation. As a result, most distros are a wasteland of unmaintained, barely working (and often no longer working) software, outside bare essentials.

Hardware support and code didn't increase nearly 800% in 8 years, bugs did. Even assuming some was due to the volume of added drivers by individuals and corporations, people would be better off if they were working for some other Free Software kernel/OS at this point. Linux isn't that special, it's a hobby clone of Minix but monolothic and with horrible documentation, community communication, and further development that introduced thousands of bugs, including outside drivers.

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