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 No.604

Tech nerds will not comprise the entirety of the revolution. We know this. It's going to include a lot of normies, who can't exactly communicate and coordinate everything through text messaging. As we also know, we live in a world of mass surveillance. We have to give normies options for communicating that can protect themselves from the corporate surveillance state. This thread is for evaluating those options. I am currently looking at phone conferencing options and can't make up my mind on these:
-some Matrix protocol tool
-some XMPP protocol tool
-Jitsi
-Jami

What I really want is something supporting phone call-ins, for stupid old people who cannot into computers. Phone OS support may also be important. Some options are more suited to these things than others. Maybe even better ones than I've listed. Discuss, please.
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 No.606

&ltRe-posting:
As someone who've followed the matrix/riot developments for the past couple of years - the main thing to keep your eye on is this:
>Declaring End-to-end Encryption stable and turning it on by default for private rooms. (12/14 tasks completed):
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6779

The last statement (March 18) from the devs reads:
>We're roughly a few weeks away from releasing this to the stable channel, but that may change if we uncover new areas of the project that we feel must be fixed before release.
>The team is working hard on this, and we're excited to share it with everyone when it's ready.

When it's done I'd say matrix is the clear winner. Jami still has some bugs but will eventually be very good as well. Jitsi is the more stable one out of the three that's just a bit more messy to set up (that's why it's not recommended that often, similarly to XMPP).
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 No.627

I came from this thread >>>/leftypol/398552. This thread is good and we should work to keep it active and reach a valuable conclusion.
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 No.710

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Just to highlight the need to study secure alternatives, the major teleconferencing tool exploding in popularity right now, Zoom, has been in several privacy scandals the last week and more over the last year. Even some ostensibly communist and socialist parties and organizations have been using Zoom to communicate.
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/zoom-meeting-encryption/
https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/31/zoom-at-your-own-risk/
https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/at-zoom-new-privacy-and-security-problems-keep-emerging/
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 No.714

I'm interested in learning how to secure radio and other over-the-air transmissions. What does DIY end to end radio encryption look like?
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 No.718

>>710
Anyone with half a brain knows not to trust any technology/protocol popularised by the media and used by corporations/governments, etc.
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 No.719

>>604
>Secure audio communication
in the dark
under a bridge
with traffic overhead
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 No.720

>>718
>Anyone with half a brain
Unfortunately a lot of people don't have half a brain. It's important to be able to construct a meaty argument.
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 No.724

>>714
Former us army signal sergeant here, best I can do for a TLDR:
1: convert the audio into digital
2: stream cipher
3: back to analog
4: broadcast

Going to want to change the keys by hand every week, and any time you suspect a radio is compromised.
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 No.727

>>710
>Even some ostensibly communist and socialist parties and organizations have been using Zoom to communicate.
It's because they're made up of boomers with similarly stereotypical ignorance of technology (aka not boomer computer scientists, Dickblast is the lone exception) and are killing their own orgs by proxy of this general incompetence in the second decade of the 21st century.
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 No.728

>>727
Third decade.
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 No.730

Has anyone here ever considered using or switching too JMP services to replace your cell phone provider? It is a service that operatives through XMPP and forwards your messages (which are encrypted to the point of transit) out to a cell phone tower. It seems like a superior service than having a cell phone.
It still runs off wifi, but, honestly wifi is so prevalent these days it has had little to no impact on my life.

https://jmp.chat/
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 No.731

>>730
I've definitely thought about using it to spoof a phone number to register a Google account. This stuff is so complicated I don't know where to start though.
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 No.732

>>731
It's really not that complicated once you understand how XMPP works. Just make an XMPP and join the conference and talk to ossoguy he can help you better understand it.
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 No.1225

So is Jitsi just a client program for connecting over XMPP? And then Matrix clients are integrating Jitsi? I can't figure out what is a frontend for what here.
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 No.1226

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Riot release postponed a week.
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 No.1228

>>1226
( >>1223 )
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 No.1229

>>1226
Is this cause for alarm?
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 No.1230

>>1229
Not really, it wasn't some giant security breach or anything. It's to do with a reduction in possible bugs around this major release, a lot of people are probably awaiting shilling this release just like I am to people using other software and they want the first impression to be good (previous Skype, Discord, Signal users).
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 No.1231

>>727
If the Wienerlauncher is so knowledgeable, why is he using YouTube instead of PeerTube or Mediagoblin?
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 No.1241

>>1231
He could upload to both of course, but probably because he wants people to actually hear what he's saying. Social coercion sucks.
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 No.1271

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Conversations is the easiest XMPP client to set up on your phone.
https://conversations.im/

It costs money on the app store, but on F-droid it's free.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.siacs.conversations/
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 No.8513

>>1271
Never head of this, does it have a client for desktop computers ?
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 No.8514

>>8513
just use a desktop XMPP client like Gajim: https://gajim.org/
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 No.8517

>>8514
thank you
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 No.8520

>>604
>We have to give normies options for communicating
Normies will hate you as fascist STEMbro chuds anyway lmao.

Tech nerds have worked for a free and open internet, constantly battling to keep protocols and standards open (when orgs like IBM, Microsoft and now Twitter or Facebook would happily close them up if they could), pushing for net neutrality, and writing a fuckton of reliable and professional grade free software that now makes up the infrastructure for the internet. There have also been efforts to start making hardware more open.
But you know as well as me that the average left-wing normie doesn't care about any of that. Just looking at the way RMS was treated will tell you all about what's in store for STEMcucks after the revolution.
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 No.8522

>>8520
>Just looking at the way RMS was treated will tell you all about what's in store for STEMcucks after the revolution.
>t. still can't distringuish between radlibs and communists
Go back
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 No.8524

>>8520
>Just looking at the way RMS was treated will tell you all about what's in store for STEMcucks after the revolution.
tfw you can't even defend a pedophile these days without angering the PC police ;_;
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 No.8525

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>>8520
RMS changed his mind 2 years ago
https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html
>14 September 2019 (Sex between an adult and a child is wrong)
>Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it.
>Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why.
he even used the special pronoun.
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 No.8526

>>8525 (me)
reply to
>>8524
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 No.8527

>>8525
I guess it is possible to learn old nerds new tricks. between this and linus learning that other people do in fact exist, perhaps we will see some actual adults in the free software space
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 No.10752

>>604
I'm bumping this thread, to ask for an updated suggestion of good secure free opensource software communication software
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 No.10753

>>10752
IRC.
XMPP
Simply connect to same server via ssh and use something like roughly
    
function say { echo "$USER> [email protected]" >> anonchat}

Then in your terminal:
>tail -f talkfile &
>say <msg goes here>

Could make it nicer with tmux too I'm sure.
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 No.11072

no
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 No.11087

Hello guys can someone send me a email? [email protected] that`s my mail
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 No.11102

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