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 No.8993

How do we get around the centralization of the web? It seems like a herculean task. I made my own email server but it took me so long just to be able to make it so that outlook.com accounts could receive them at all. I tried to do it from scratch and it would be received by google (as junk initially) and yahoo (junk initially) but not outlook (failed to receive). So I learned about Mail in a box and screwed around with nameservers on namecheap and it worked finally. But outlook still marks it as spam. A lot of people use outlook.
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 No.9009

Web and email are two different things OP. Yes, they both suffer from centralization, but email is more difficult to decentralize.

Anyone can set up a website and anyone can view it. Chances are it will be indexed by Google. So there's nothing stopping people from setting up their own websites and other people using it. The reason people don't do it is probably because it's not worth the effort for most people. Hopefully, Fediverse services take off and become and outlet for people that don't need a website.

Email is a different story. As you've found out, the major email providers will flag emails from small servers as spam. Which forces people to sign up to the major providers for an email address because their small email provider "doesn't work." So you can't just set up an email server and send and receive emails to everyone.

Spam may be a legitimate problem, but the major providers blanket ban too many email servers to believe it. It's probably to:
1. Stop competitors from taking market share.
2. Stop competitors that don't share emails with the NSA.

I think email is a dead end for decentralization. It was made in the 1970s for small networks where people trusted each other. There's no inbuilt solution to stopping spam or address spoofing. If these issues are solved (as well as being practical), then there is no legitimate argument against stopping connections with small servers.

I like Bitmessage, although it hasn't been updated in a while. It uses proof of work to stop spam and addresses are based on cryptographic keys.
http://bitmsgdyvsmwgsimkxplisxbzpewvkhfm3fmomzd63apaymaxiznz6ad.onion/Main_Page
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
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 No.9011

There's a search engine that doesn't index the one million most successful sites, though I'm not sure about what metric they use for that: https://millionshort.com/ I admit I don't use it because it doesn't display anything without javascript.

I think a search engine excluding anything commercial would be cool, but I barely grasp how you could make that really work. I guess it would be either manually checking & tiny database or an automatic approach with tons of wrong deletions and wrong inclusions. A more modest goal would be to merely downrank stuff that is likely commercial. That can be done just by boosting sites with words like "GPL" or "Public Domain" or "Creative Commons" in their texts and punishing sites a bit for having words like "shop" and "buy" and the dollar sign (some collateral damage guaranteed, but whatever).
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 No.9012

>>9011
>I think a search engine excluding anything commercial would be cool
that is actually an incredible idea, all the caveats of the difficulty of creating a good search engine aside.
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 No.9021

>>9012
Making a search engine is not hard if you have modest goals. I'm thinking no image search, no pdf indexing, English language only, tiny manually approved index plus automatic inclusion of sites linked from these, but not automatically following links further.

Rank punishment for these:
฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ дин $ ₫ € ƒ ₲ ₴ ₭ Kč ლ лв. ₺ ₥ ₦ ₱ £ ៛ ₽ ₹ ₨ ৳ ₮ ₩ ¥ zł
.. . . . . .. . ﷼ .. . . . ₪
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol

More downrank words: eshop, ebay, amazon, alibaba, rakuten, bitcoin, monero, patreon, dollar and other currency names spelled out.
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 No.9022

>>9021
The board software ate some of those currency symbols from right-to-left script.
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 No.9024

>>9011
I think a big challenge is removing private blog networks (PBNs) because they are practically spam and they are getting advanced at getting around word filters.

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