>>11163>Gender dysphoria and the whole presence of trans development is a wholly Western oneGender transition has been present in the historical record for thousands of years, in addition many native cultures including tribes in North America and Pacific Island cultures have a concept and social role for men and women that feel they are the opposite gender, or something in between.
Additionally the first modern surgical and hormonal medical transitions were carried out in a sexual health research institute in Denmark starting in the early 1900's. The institute was promptly raided after the nazi coup, all of the research gathered and burned, and the employees and patients sent to the camps.
These identities are not western and in fact it is western culture that has attempted to erase them.
Specifically the dark hand of reaction as exemplified by the nazis, has attempted in futility to erase the existence of transgender people from history, and to destroy us completely.
>One of the biggest examples of this happening is the Reimer Brother experiment with Dr. MoneyI am going to stop you right there. That experiment is actually a great example that transgender identity can not be simply influenced on to someone. The doctor had this infant raised female when he was born a boy. The child grew up in a female role, and expressed severe gender dysphoria, resulting in his transitioning back to male. With the combined trauma causing him to kill himself. This is evidence that gender roles are not socialized, and are in fact conditioned in the brain from birth. Also yes rest in piss Dr. Money you pedophilic hack.
>who pushed this whole ideological mess in the first place.200 IQ Qanon tier conspiracy.
>I don't think they're cherry-picked, they basically write the /pol/'s rants for them.Okay but you can see how /pol/ is cherry picking them yes?
Most trans people do not act like this.
>>11166>Parkinsons has a physical effect though.So does depression and the brain incongruence that causes gender dysphoria, both are visible on a mri scan wdym?
>If you want to fit into current gender roles you could just do the cooking and cleaning, rather than changing your body to 'fit' your 'identity'.Okay but this doesn't cure my gender dysphoria, which centers primarily around my body and how other people interact with me. I'm tomboyish behaviorally anyways.
>As society would never consider someone who is extreme nationalistic as having a mental illnessS O O N
>We seek an ideological victory over nationalism. Yes
>I sympathize a lot with your story. Thank you very much for sharing.It's no worries, thank you very much for listening : )
>What do you think of this current movement around "you don't need dysphoria to be trans"?It's a good question, I think it's valid and people can have a transgender identity with dysphoria. Personally, I highlight my dysphoria to (shamelessly pander) explain why transitioning was a difficult but necessary need for me. For me, I would stay closeted forever due to aforementioned privileges if I had no dysphoria. I enjoy and immerse myself in lot's of different things in life and most of them have little to do with gender. This is rather cringe to say, and oversharing, but pragmatically speaking it would be nice to be a big communist chad that has more opportunity to contribute more to communism, and I'd age way better in 10 years once I finally get my shit together.
>The main fear I have regarding the movement (this isn't from a place of naivety) is the 'forcing' kids into transitioning and shit.I understand your concerns over this, and vulnerable children have very impressionable minds that must be kept safe from harmful influences.
I think that most people and most parents share these concerns over young children transitioning.
I will say that many young transgender kids like I was myself will have an incongruent gender identity from a young age, and express dysphoria even before puberty in many cases, like for myself. If this gender dysphoria persists throughout childhood and the child wishes to transition, then I feel it is medically necessary to treat the child with hormonal (puberty blockers can delay puberty and give time for a final decision) and social therapy and transitioning support. There are many parents that refuse to let their children transition, even in the face of dysphoria and against their child's will. It is extremely painful and damaging to a transgender child to be forced to go through the 'wrong' puberty by the people they put their faith and trust in, have no chance at living as a child of their internal gender, and be stuck in the 'wrong' body forever unless eventual hormonal and surgical treatment is successful at reversing most of the changes to secondary sex traits brought on by puberty. This is not brought up as often in the media, but I think it is a massive and overlooked factor that should be brought up whenever the topic of medical transitioning in transgender children is brought up.
>There is a huge 'if you're not 100% with us you hate us and are a nazi' thing around the trans movement.I see what you mean,and I think it makes some sense that people would act defensive or paranoid, given the amount of hostility and manipulative hate campaigns trans people face.
>I remember being a teen and I can pinpoint times where I would question my identity and who I 'was' (but I think this is a false dichotomy raised in capitalist society, I simply grew up to be myself rather than a 'type' of person) specifically where I dressed as a girl. I could see myself in this vulnerable position and being intercepted by forward trans activists telling me to 'hatch' or something.I understand your fears and I can see that your right, often times cis people that engage in gender non conforming activities are pressured to transition. Perhaps this is an extension of the societal discomfort at gender non conforming people. As a society we need to grow more familiar with and become more comfortable with breaking gender roles.
>How is this different to transgender?>They are both individuals taking control of their 'identities'There is no biological basis for transitioning to live as another race. If transitioning to live as another race makes their lives better, than great good for them, it's not hurting anyone, but it is a completely different phenomenon.
>My point is that transrace seems ridiculous, it's kinda a joke. However this was transgenderism 100 years ago. It was completely unheard of. But we should be able to determine what is and isn't "right" ideologically. So if someone comes out as transrace we can determine whether they are worth solidarity or not, like how the early trans movement started.Okay this makes sense to me.It's a bit cynical but I don't think public support for "transrace" concerns will have a net positive impact on communist orgs, and I don't think it is a big societal issue effecting a lot of people really.
Transgenderism However effects a lot more people, it's a lot more present in the public zeitgeist, it has a lot more of a scientific and medical basis, it has a greater relevance to the history of class struggle, reaction and imperialism as I mentioned above, and it is simply more defend-able and with greater working class support.
Also really motherfuckers please take care of your hair and use conditioner every once in a while, this shampoo is a meme thing is scaring the shit out of me.