Our shared existence of being ex-polacks means we have an undue emphasis on "converting pol" or "reaching out to the alienated, conservative working class". I think this narrative is based more on our own personal experiences of having left behind reactionary politics, as well as the "conservative white working class" narrative pushed by both parties, rather than actual facts. We know empirically that most of the American working class votes Democrat, leans progressive on social issues, and is overwhelmingly either female, queer, or some sort of ethnic minority. There has never been a single point in American history where less of the population, let alone the poor and working class, were your standard Republican straight white male workers. Based on demographic trends, this share of the working class can only be expected to decrease. On a simple level of tactics, putting aside ethical or ideological considerations, it is far more efficient to ally with socially-progressive movements (and the massive demographics that have a vested interest in them) rather than chase away any hints of "idpol" (meaning, in most cases, just standard Marxist offenses against racism and sexism that most real-world communist revolutionaries actively support) so as to convert an increasingly dwindling "conservative white working class". This isn't to say we need to forge an alliance with progressive neoliberalism or accept its reification of social issues away from class, but this rabid stupidpol tendency to discourage anti-racism, feminism, and pro-LGBT activism in the name of "not alienating conservative workers" is going to be an objectively losing strategy. Certainly, judging by the ways that revolutionaries like Kollontai, Pankhurst, Malcolm X, Fanon, Newton, Hampton, Davis, and others have found ways to forge powerful alliances between "idpol" struggles and revolutionary socialism, I think such a strategy will only become more necessary in the face of an increasingly nonwhite, socially progressive America. Certainly, it will also keep us from having the only forces of "progress" be token poc neoliberals like Obama, thus automatically throwing the marginalized into the camps of neoliberalism while those against neoliberalism automatically turn to reaction.
To this end, this also means, on a level of tactics, that we should really stop devoting so much of our mental capacity and effort into trying to combat /pol/ and the spread of fascism to imageboards and the alienated petite-bouj teenage boys who browse them. Sure, it is an issue and one that will have an effect on the real world, but it seems like, out of personal devotion to our own experiences turning away from internet reaction, we feel that we need to alter our principles in order to better convert them and, in a certain sense, "save" them. I'm trying not to sound heartless here, but frankly, it isn't worth the effort. Compared to the significant gains we could make radicalizing the massive, already alienated progressive mainstream youth, it is far less effective to continuously pursue a comparatively minuscule, practically powerless band of incels, neets, schizos, and "ironic" teenagers. Just on a level of pure numbers, there are objectively more Marxists on the streets right now organized under irl orgs, Antifa and BLM, regardless of how bourgeois these movements are, than we have seen, or ever will see, converted from the internet right. At most, as we consistently see from so many visitors here, they embrace Strasserism or "white Juche" or a very crude "Stalinism" before quickly switching to their next ideology-of-the-month. Yes, some do change their minds, myself and most of us here are proof of that. And yet, not only are we a minority of chan culture, but we are also a vast, vast minority of the alienated, socialist-leaning youth. We need to accept that /pol/, and the obscure and powerless internet right as a whole, is just not worth our time. Just because we left doesn't mean we should expect them to as well; they will probably continue to spend their time in honeypot orgs that at most produce embarrassing shitfests like Charlottesville, as an irrelevant mouthpiece of the GOP that can be discarded at the slightest convenience, and otherwise as powerless schizos who switch ideologies every other weak and spend all their days attached to a computer screen. We need to accept that, beyond a few stray converts, they're a lost cause, and we should not modify our views and abandon our progressive struggles in the name of appealing to them.
I know this was a long rant that basically says this
>>439067 in much more text, and one that is pretty exclusively from a burger-lens, but I'm just sick of seeing all these posts calling for "red-brown alliance" or "fighting idpol to appeal to white conservative workers" or "conservative socialism". Guys, on a simple demographic level, it's just not going to work. The American working class is already progressive and some sort of minority, stop chasing after the golden goose of the "overwhelmingly conservative working class" that only really exists in the rhetoric of Dem technocrats and GOP ideologues.
>>439056>>439059Read Rodney and Patnaik, the scale of economic exploitation is simply unfathomable. Billions leave Africa alone every year through unfair trade and monetary hegemony, and we know empirically that the gap between the periphery and the core is constantly increasing.