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JERUSALEM/GAZA, Oct 7 (Reuters) - The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas launched the biggest attack on Israel in years on Saturday, killing more than 20 people in a surprise assault that combined gunmen penetrating into Israeli towns with a barrage of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip.

Israel said the Iran-backed group had declared war as its army confirmed fighting with militants in several Israeli towns and military bases near Gaza and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to retaliate.

"Our enemy will pay a price the type of which it has never known," he said. "We are in a war and we will win it."

At least 22 Israelis were killed in the attack so far with more than 250 wounded, Israel's ambulance service said, but added that the toll was expected to rise.

The Israeli military said it had launched air strikes into Gaza, where witnesses reported hearing heavy explosions, with at least two dead.

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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,

"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.

(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!

(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:

(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.

(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.

(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.

(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.

(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.

The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:

Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?

If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.

(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.

(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.

(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?

(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!

(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.

(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.

(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.

(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"

(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.

(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.

(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.

If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

The Nation of honour and respect:

"But honour, power and glory belong to Allah, and to His Messenger (Muhammad- peace be upon him) and to the believers." [Quran 63:8]

"So do not become weak (against your enemy), nor be sad, and you will be*superior ( in victory )if you are indeed (true) believers" [Quran 3:139]

The Nation of Martyrdom; the Nation that desires death more than you desire life:

"Think not of those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they are being provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them from His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers." [Quran 3:169-171]

The Nation of victory and success that Allah has promised:

"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad peace be upon him) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it victorious over all other religions even though the Polytheists hate it." [Quran 61:9]

"Allah has decreed that 'Verily it is I and My Messengers who shall be victorious.' Verily Allah is All-Powerful, All-Mighty." [Quran 58:21]

The Islamic Nation that was able to dismiss and destroy the previous evil Empires like yourself; the Nation that rejects your attacks, wishes to remove your evils, and is prepared to fight you. You are well aware that the Islamic Nation, from the very core of its soul, despises your haughtiness and arrogance.

If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.

This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight them and over which form of ignorance? By the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious.


Apparently The Guardian newspaper published this at some point and they recently deleted it from their website.

Is that why you posted it ?


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Kim Iversen did a video on this:


Yup that's why, someone else made a thread on /b/ about it >>>/b/150842


Yeah, that context would have been nice. Otherwise, you know… it's just a decades-old letter from Bin Laden. The west preferred him to the Soviets in the '80s, and probably still would if the Soviets still existed today.


The US also preferred China to the Soviet Union.


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Not 100% sure about the source, but good if true:

European trade unions intensify actions of solidarity with Palestine

Port workers’ unions in Italy, Greece, and Turkey have announced their decision to boycott the loading and unloading of arms destined for Israel’s criminal war in Gaza.

As the genocidal war conducted by the Zionist state of Israel against Gaza enters its second month, trade unions in Europe have stepped up their solidarity with Palestine.

On November 9, in a joint statement, the dock workers and transport workers affiliated with the Unione Sindicale di Base (USB) in Italy, Nakliyat Is union in Turkey, ENEDEP-COSCO Dockers Union of Greece’s Piraeus Port, and several other Maritime Unions in Greece, made a call to “stop the massacre in Gaza” and to “stop the transport of death”. The unions have demanded the governments of their countries stop the transfer of arms from its ports and stop support to Israel which is murdering the people of Palestine.

In their joint statement, the trade unions have said “We cannot tolerate the loading and unloading operations of ships, planes, etc. carrying weapons into the conflict or providing logistical services to it, to help feed a system that slaughters thousands of innocent people, especially women and children, every day.”

“The history of transport workers has always been clearly on the side of peace, against fascism, racism, against any occupation and oppression of peoples. For this reason, we cannot tolerate the transformation of the ports, airports, ships, and trains of Europe into centers of trafficking of death,” added the unions.

On November 10, hundreds of trade unionists including the port workers affiliated with the USB and the Autonomous Collective of Port Workers organized a demonstration in Genoa in solidarity with Palestine. The workers have also announced that they “refuse to load, to work the ships of the Israeli cargo shipping company ZIM Integrated Shipping Services which act as a vector for the shipment of armaments to Israel. Meanwhile, on the same day, hundreds of trade unionists in the UK under the banner of Workers For A Free Palestine blocked the entrance to the BAE Systems factory site in Rochester, Kent, which reportedly provides components for military aircraft used in the ongoing bombing in Gaza. On October 31, activists from Palestine Action blockaded the road to the headquarters of Elbit Systems in Bristol, notorious for manufacturing parts for Israeli drones and other pilotless aircraft.

On October 30 in Denmark, activists from the Communist Youth of Denmark (DKU), blocked all entrances to the Søborg plant of the Danish arms company, Terma, in protest against its sale of weapons and equipment to the Israeli Defense Forces.

Earlier, transport unions in Belgium including the Belgian Union of Transport Workers (BTB), BBTK, ACV-Transcom, and ACV Puls also issued a joint statement announcing their resolve to refuse loading or unloading weapons in transit to Israel, which are destined for the genocidal war against the Palestinians.

As of now, in the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza by Israel, including hospitals and refugee camps, more than 11,000 people have been killed, more than 27,000 people were injured and around 1.5 million people have been displaced.



(forget that question about the source at the beginning, the info seems entirely correct)


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>The west preferred him to the Soviets in the '80s,
Yeah, they still celebrated Bin Laden as "anti-soviet warror" in 1993
>and probably still would if the Soviets still existed today.
If the Soviets still existed today, religious fundamentalism, organized as terror cells and proxy forces, in the ME would probably have withered away long ago and Bin Laden probably would never have been in the position to do 9/11. Because the Soviets would have eventually forced the CIA out and dismantled all those other "regional actors" that provided funding and support for these groups. In this hypothetical history, the Arab part of the Soviet system still wouldn't be anywhere near secular tho, they would have resisted sovietization as vigorously as they did liberalisation, but religious sectarian violence would be near none-existent.


Seems based, does this have any chance at working ?
It appears that unions have realized that the neocon imperial strategy only generates costs for them and that it isn't like it was during the soc-dem period where unions got imperial gibs.


I have no idea. You can ask PAME (the Greek union) if you like:


The Zionists are now calling them selves victims of tiktok and are trying to burn the last bridge with the Zoomer generation by attempting to ban their favorite App.

They are expending a lot of political capital just to keep the palestinian genocide going a little wile longer. Zionist occupied Israel is going to be forced to accept a ceasefire soon anyway, what will remain is all the people they antagonized and whose political opinions have hardened.


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Have you ever seen an occupation this gay?


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Twitter will begin censoring criticisms of the Zionist regime that is currently perpetrating a genocide against the Palestinians. In true sycophantic fashion the opponents and critics of the currently happening genocide are getting accused of having genocidal intent. And the antisemitic trope of equating Zionists with Jews also gets repeated. They're trying to justify this by intentionally miss-interpreting the meaning of sloganeering.


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Finkelstein gave a pretty good interview

After 41:16 he says two of his friends have compiled a list of all the genocidal statements by Israeli officials, he says their names but i have no idea how to spell those. I want that list of statements, if anybody knows where to find it or how spell those names please help.


I’m a Jew & I’m NOT a Genocidal Racist — Why Do Israel “Supporters” Keep Telling the World that I Am?

<I’m so flabbergasted about the Jewish celebrities who have taken to the hustings over the last few weeks not only to embrace Israel’s mass murder of the civilians of Gaza - but have even insisted that all Jews feel the same way.

<What do they think they’re doing? It’s bad enough that these Jews want to display their moral turpitude to the world. But do they really have to slander the rest of us into the bargain?

<Criticism of Israeli brutality, Bialik insisted, was “a strain of anti-Semitism that is alive and well.”

<But for the moment I’m more interested in the logical inferences to be drawn from her comments about “the Jews.” If objecting to Israel’s crimes against humanity offends “the Jewish people,” it follows that “the Jewish people” endorse those crimes.
<And that can only mean one thing: that if Bialik is right, Jews are criminals. All of them. Just because they are Jews. Honestly, can there be a more anti-Semitic claim than that?


Zionists have so far gotten away with claiming that the bloodbaths they create are in the name of Jews.
Finally there are a few Jews pushing back against Zionist-antisemitism.


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'We Are Too Humane. Burn Gaza Now,' Says Senior Israeli Lawmaker

<Deputy Knesset Speaker Nissim Vaturi is one of many Israeli leaders who have made genocidal statements against Palestinians.

<Nissim Vaturi, the far-right deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament, raised eyebrows and ire Friday after asserting on social media that Israel's war on Gaza — which has killed and maimed over 40,000 people and displaced around 70% of the population—is "too humane."


ultraZionists are fucked up in the head


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Thank you


The Nazis took over and want literally Anuddah Shoah. While Nazis lie about everything for the sake of lying, when they get their genocide on, they should be taken at their word. It's one of the few things they actually care about. So, the backlash will be steered. Many Jews in high places who like living will march along with it, as long as it isn't them. Living under such a regime makes people do terrible things and pretend nothing is happening. But, for a lot of people, this is not an option. That's really key to any fascism - holding the option of compliance and charging an exorbitant price to have the right to comply.

It's more than a few Jews who are against this, you know. Most people are not too stupid to see this for what it is, and how this would be weaponized against them.

I do hope I'm wrong and the over-the-top madness of the PR is a signal of weakness before Israel folds its plans to invade. There's a difficulty for the Zionists here, in that this is not really a "war of choice" - Hamas did the attack. There is a misunderstanding mostly among people who think politics is about narratives and stories and performance, where one side must hold absolute impunity to attack and the other must be seen as helpless cattle. If you see the enemies of Israel though, they are not cattle, and they are not subdued, and they are not so weak that Israel can walk in and push the win button. Israel knows that without US involvement they can't do shit, and the US cannot be entangled in a ground war against Hezbollah and ultimately Iran. If that happens, US will fall apart. I'm guessing the Zionists don't care because they hate their master, but this is going to fuck them if they think they can stir more shit. They don't have an option that entails Israel continuing as it has - either they push or they get pushed back, and they're down to resorting to unlimited threats and lies and nothing else. Ultimately they have to dance to whatever the US and global empire allow, and if they tell the Israelis to eat shit or suck up Hamas clowning on them so spectacularly, they're going to have to fume and pout and try to shit up as much as they can while accomplishing nothing. Really seems appropriate for Israel's existence.


<The Nazis took over and want literally Anuddah Shoah. While Nazis lie about everything for the sake of lying, when they get their genocide on, they should be taken at their word. It's one of the few things they actually care about. So, the backlash will be steered. Many Jews in high places who like living will march along with it, as long as it isn't them. Living under such a regime makes people do terrible things and pretend nothing is happening. But, for a lot of people, this is not an option. That's really key to any fascism - holding the option of compliance and charging an exorbitant price to have the right to comply.
I agree with your social analysis, that is definitely how this works. But on the practical feasibility side, it's not the 1920s anymore. Pretty much all the Hitler assassination attempts would succeed in present conditions. The rational choice is no longer cowardly compliance, it's ruthless defiance. Remember that hard fascism is national suicide, and there always is an aftermath, where having been on the wrong side of history can be profoundly hazardous. And the Nazi-exit strategy of fucking off in a U-Boot to South America, Africa and so on. That's not going to work anymore either. That was based on the natives of far off lands not knowing what goes on, in the rest of the world.

>It's more than a few Jews who are against this, you know. Most people are not too stupid to see this for what it is, and how this would be weaponized against them.

Your assessment is correct, but why isn't there more noise about this. Pretty much all the Jews that live in the diaspora gain nothing, for them it's entirely detrimental. The Zionists have made Israel unsafe because they are now at odds with every country in the region, teetering on the brink of major regional conflict, so it no longer holds the promise of a safe haven for Jews. All they have to say is that Zionism is antisemitic because it a) attributes all the crimes that the current regime in Israel has committed, to all Jews. And b) point out that Palestinians are considered ethnically Semitic as well.

>There's a difficulty for the Zionists here, in that this is not really a "war of choice" - Hamas did the attack.

No definitely not, this conflict did not begin with Oct7 this year. There never would have been a Hamas, if Palestinians could live like normal people, with a state that upholds their rights and so on. You can't expect Palestinians to just die quietly considering what has been done to them. The Zionists choose to create the conditions that make organizations like Hamas inevitable. The moral imperative of Palestinians is to reak so much havok that it becomes impracticable to mistreat them. Following the logic that the only crime a slave can commit is not rebelling against slavery. If you want people to be free, live dignified, prosperous and comfortable lives, every alternative has to be frustrated and every ounce of power wielded for an end different from improving the human condition to be considered an irredeemable crime.

>I do hope I'm wrong and the over-the-top madness of the PR is a signal of weakness before Israel folds its plans to invade.

Yes Israel doesn't have the strategic depth to survive a regional war by any means, but they have enough weapons to cause copious amounts of chaos on the way out. So lets hope the PR madness is bluster, and not real madness.

>If you see the enemies of Israel though, they are not cattle, and they are not subdued, and they are not so weak that Israel can walk in and push the win button. Israel knows that without US involvement they can't do shit, and the US cannot be entangled in a ground war against Hezbollah and ultimately Iran. If that happens, US will fall apart.

I agree with you on this as well. But keep in mind that some of the neocons are batshit crazy and they're probing for possibility of nukeing obstinate Arab states. A bunch of nuclear armed US naval assets are already in position. The only question these people ask them selves is whether or not they come out on top.

>I'm guessing the Zionists don't care because they hate their master, but this is going to fuck them if they think they can stir more shit. They don't have an option that entails Israel continuing as it has - either they push or they get pushed back, and they're down to resorting to unlimited threats and lies and nothing else. Ultimately they have to dance to whatever the US and global empire allow, and if they tell the Israelis to eat shit or suck up Hamas clowning on them so spectacularly, they're going to have to fume and pout and try to shit up as much as they can while accomplishing nothing.

At the moment it looks like Israel is the tail wagging the dog, when it comes to Israel US relations. I don't understand why the US Empire hasn't forced them to stand down, like 2 weeks ago.


No one was going to assassinate Hitler because Hitler was just the speech-giver. If need be, the Nazis could find another - they had many who could do the same task Hitler did. It was not a small movement because eugenics needed Nazism and what it offered alone, and this gave them a deeper base in German society that could never be removed. They could only have been ruthlessly exterminated as a movement.

I did not intend to suggest that "history repeats" in that sense. The inheritors of Nazism do not think like that - they're very adept at changing with the times and infesting institutions with new tactics. I wouldn't call what we're getting "fascism" in the sense Mussolini described it. It may look similar and specifically harken to fascist tropes, but fascism implied a level of unity of state and demos that the current and coming arrangements do not meet. There are fascists who actually believe in it, and many Germans who lived through that time, that didn't think the Nazis were "fascist", or that "fascism" conformed to the narrative constructed after the war. The Nazis were a vanguard of eugenics, and that came to dominate the worldwide fascist movement - something that was an inevitable outcome given its origin and pretenses about the world, but the Nazi priority was eugenics above all else. So, Nazism was throughout the period of dominance a movement that was changing and diversifying, with much of the Nazi "ideology" made up as needed to retaliate and rebut any opposition to its long-term agenda. The ideology mattered less than eugenics - and Hitler could have infiltrated a liberal party and commandeered it to do the same sort of thing, saying it was about "freedom" and "the best and the brightest". There wasn't an appetite for that in Germany and Hitler's appeal was with this reactionary movement that held a lot of advantages in that place. Eugenics as a policy necessitates fascism as the form of the state and government, until it can develop and drop the republican pretenses for the next fad or thing that would be needed, when eugenics support reaches a critical mass and they possess the technological means to do what is happening now. The inheritors of the Nazis were able to adopt liberal-sounding phraseology and make this seem like something woke and hip and totally in line with the Smart People, utilizing the neoreactionaries as useful idiots who by now are trained cuckold retard-slaves committed to the pure rot of the human race.

It should not be forgotten that these people are not the majority or even a sizable minority. A lot of this is propped up and reliant on followers and those who are cowed into supporting anything as long as they feel they're among the in-group and get to score off the out-groups. The strategy in the past century would be very different from the coup that Hitler Inc. did, but you will see similarity in the overall agenda and phraseology, hinting to those in the know that they can say the Nazis were the good guys now. They've been waiting for a long time. To get there today required thorough infiltration and repurposing of major institutions, and this was being done throughout my life and really took off during the 1990s. Everything the Nazis did in schooling was being done when I was young and only got worse. The naive wanted to believe that there would be some breaking point where reasonable people ask what the point of this is, because it's well known this only results in death and rot and it never gets rid of the Bad People as efficiently as it claims to.

The point is that what is forming is something much, much worse. Worst thing in human history, and there will be no coming back from it. Whatever comes out the other end of this will be something very different and probably not a good thing. It might end the eugenic purges and depopulation, or it might be capable of finishing the job quickly and bringing in the real vision of those who pushed this into motion. But, any concept of a democratic society or much at all worth keeping is dead forever. We could only pretend there was hope for a time, and we can hold out for what good it would do, living for spite. But, there is no "other world" that can be built at this point by any human effort. What has started has too much inertia to ever go away, and if it were forcibly pushed back it could reimpose its crusade indefinitely, due to a lack of willingness of anyone to do anything that would be necessary to extirpate eugenics. Such an undertaking is not only probably physically impossible but there is little understanding of what would even be done, when eugenics is seen for what it is and we ask why this beast was able to win, instead of treating its existence as a natural law.

>o definitely not, this conflict did not begin with Oct7 this year. There never would have been a Hamas, if Palestinians could live like normal people, with a state that upholds their rights and so on.

This condition is mutually exclusive with Jewish settlement in the large numbers that Israel entails. Palestinian resistance is not something that came about when the Pals felt bad, as if it could be turned off by giving them different ideas. The analogue many Zionists like is that the Palestinians are the American Indians and that victory should be as easy as the narratives said they were. The Arabs are not the Indians, and the Israeli methods are not the American, no matter how many times they want to invoke that lazy parallel to tell us we should be them or vice versa. Trying to do racial genocide and expansionism in the time and place of Israel, against a people who are numerous and not mindless savages and have raised revolts many times, doesn't work, and we're seeing now the consequences when the Middle East can fight back. Of course the Arabs are going to fight - they have no reason not to and reason to believe in this time and place they can win something.

>I agree with you on this as well. But keep in mind that some of the neocons are batshit crazy and they're probing for possibility of nukeing obstinate Arab states.

If the Arabs think about this situation, their only long-term play against such a beast is to suck up the Samson option, and ask if the US wants to commit to that. Compliance is not an option after 2003. They saw time and time again what compliance with the Great Satan and the Little Satan would get them, and Trump was extra clear in saying where he stood on the matter.

>At the moment it looks like Israel is the tail wagging the dog, when it comes to Israel US relations. I don't understand why the US Empire hasn't forced them to stand down, like 2 weeks ago.

Mostly because there is no standing down. If Israel doesn't retaliate, more attacks will be launched. There isn't a "peace condition" at this point, and Israel is not interested in that if it were an option. There's no going back to the status quo of trying to maintain the two-state idea, not when Palestine is in no shape to survive as a "state" as drawn in the ever-worsening proposals. Israel standing down would at the least mean the end of Netanyahu and the people pushing war, which is not a small number of people. Very likely it would mean the end of Israel - that's what they mean about defending Israel's "right to exist", which is always the exceptional claim. It's not so much about there being a state in the region called Israel with heavy Jewish settlement and its type of government, but about the right of unlimited violence. The diplomatic proposals of the more moderate leaders in the Muslim world don't envision mass deportation of Jews out of the country.

For the US, they only care about their interests, whether those involve Israel or not. They don't want to lose influence in the region and probably figured out that the way this ends is with Israel defanged or simply removed as a trouble source. It was predicted back in 2002 and 2003 that the winner of America's intervention into Iraq would be Iran rather than Israel, so much that Cheney and Co. would seem like people doing their best to run America into the ground. That seems about right given their conduct up the present and how shameless they were about all of it.


Brevity is the soul of wit.


Is Israel the only military in the world with a corpse sperm collection unit?


>If the Arabs think about this situation, their only long-term play against such a beast is to suck up the Samson option.
You mean just absorb the damage ?
The lowest estimate are 80 nukes, that's a lot of damage.

There might be another way to counter-balance Samson. Iran could get nukes. The Russians could fly in a few via super sonic bombers. The difficulty is preventing the US and Israelis from interdicting the nuke once it's on Iranian ground, until it's mounted and ready to deploy, which creates deterrence. The solution to that is Iran giving a plot of land to the Russians where they build a military base, with an air-strip. That would count as part of Russia and would be under the Russian nuclear umbrella. For good measure they could repeat the same thing with a Chinese base right next to it. So attempts of interdicting, would entail picking a fight with two super-powers.

That deal would also mean that you'd have Russian and Chinese scientists/officers ensuring that nuclear weapons stewardship is based on decades worth of experience and there would be less uncertainty about Iranians making errors while they figure out nuclear weapons safety protocols.

I imagine that a nuclear stalemate might dampen the potential for escalation in the Middle east. Also since the Iranian nukes would have Russian and Chinese supervision, it would become possible to coerce the Israelis to accept supervision from the US and Europe. And in 10 to 15 years time when the current neo-con-phase in western politics gives way to neo-detente, nuclear arm control regime could be re-established. There would be a potential for a major power quartet of the US, EU, Russia and China deciding to denuclearize both Israel and Iran, and this hole spook would be over.


>The lowest estimate are 80 nukes, that's a lot of damage.

Lol I thought they had like one.
Yeah, that's a lot.


In this scenario, Israel is doomed, either by being invaded or political failure. It would be Israel's choice - they do not believe they react to world-historical events in the way you think mental inferiors must do. Israel will then use this threat to hold its allies at knife-point, and this is really the point of making such a threat. If Israel were ignored, much of the world would tell them to piss off and do what they're going to do, and make sure they're not receiving any of Israel's shit. But, the world cannot easily ignore Israel at this point. They're a greater danger to their allies than the Middle East, because the opponents of Israel know where they stand and believe that, so long as Israel is not supported by much stronger allies, they can survive Israel's nuclear retaliation. It's the follow-up that will sting, as Israeli assets are activated to cause as much damage to their allies and foes. "Firing the nukes" to destroy the world is never a one and done deal, where the magic button to destroy the world is an instant win and reward button. Committing to that means you're going to make sure you make this downfall as painful as possible if you are going down. So, that's one of the considerations the US would have, if Israel is going to choose to do that.

There is simply no way to continue the status quo of maintaining an eternal tension between Israel and the people it dispossesses, as if that situation can endure forever. Something will break, and one side or both has no reason to go along with it. The Pals were being democided the whole time, and death by depopulation, injection, and "peace" is little different from being bombed as they are now. It's one reason Hamas was going to strike back, and this was not a pure reactive "lashing out". The Pals wouldn't do this without assurances that this had wider implications that would bring the world in line with its wishes, which is to not be killed. Hamas has no motive to self-immolate like anarchoid retards, nor does Hezbollah and the Iranian network of allies.

There is a desperate need of so many to believe they can continue to cajole the world with threats and lies, and that world is coming to an end - not that the good guys will win and we will live happily ever after, but that any new situation will no longer tolerate the presumption of peace where a knife is at our throats at all times. Too many have seen too much for that to continue as it is. Therefore the result is the splitting of humanity into two, and if you understood the liberals during the 1990s and their grand vision, they talked about this all of the time. Everything they've done is premised on a belief that they're a superior race to the rest of humanity and that this will be the grand, global division. They don't have any other idea.

I see the best option for most of humanity being the defeat of Israel and its dissolution in the near future, if I were in a position to dictate what "should" happen. I will tell you right now, people willing to do what they have done will not give up easily. They did this much to the world and told us we're going to like it or else. So too did many of the supposed enemies of Israel promoting the old Nazi lines.

Trying to keep Iran from building nukes was what Obama's government was trying, before Trump and his goons tore up the treaty for completely retarded reasons. That made it clear a promise from the US is worth nothing, in case there was any doubt about what rules. I doubt such a deal would deter Iran from pursuing any and all measures of self-defense or representation of their interests. Like I said, this is a result of Bush II's crusade - or should I say, his Galtonite "Jehad". It was a completely unnecessary war to prop up eugenics, just like everything else they do, but when you say the e-word, that's when the screeching starts. No going against the Great Working.


>But, the world cannot easily ignore Israel at this point. They're a greater danger to their allies than the Middle East, because the opponents of Israel know where they stand and believe that, so long as Israel is not supported by much stronger allies, they can survive Israel's nuclear retaliation. It's the follow-up that will sting, as Israeli assets are activated to cause as much damage to their allies and foes.

The middle east would be wrecked if the Zionists shot off Israel's nukes. Your scenario of the Arabs just taking it on the chin, for that to work they'd have to set up many thousands of ABM systems to soften the blow. Russia's S500 system might do the trick, but nobody has really tested whether intercepting nukes works at all. There are synthetic tests that show that one missile can hit another and that's about it.

You're the first one to say that the Zionists have what ? sleeper agents that can do sabotage ? Is that what you mean with follow-up assets being activated.

I agree that at the moment the Zionist regime holding power in Israel is inflicting enormous harm on it's western allies, particularly political harm. Western diplomats used to be able to browbeat other countries because of human-rights abuses, and now that only elicits accusations of hypocrisy for letting the Zionists slaughter the Palestinians.

The ultra-Zionists might not politically survive this crisis. Netanyahu is proly toast because Israeli intelligence did not prevent the Oct7 attack, and Netanyahu will get the blame for that because he sanctioned diverting security resources to the Westbank on behalf of the settler project. The current US administration has every interests on pinning the blame for this clusterfuck on Netanyahu and Likud party. Whether they act rationally and do that, remains to be seen.

Where you go wrong is thinking Israel is unified, it's not, there are deep divisions. The liberals in Israel absolutely despise the current regime, because it has fucked with the separations of powers and undermined the political autonomy of the judicial. If the US railroads the hard right in Israel, they prop up the less insane part of the political body, and tensions in the region will likely calm down, because the other countries in the region will see that as the US moderating it's vassal.

If politics in Israel go the other way, regional tensions will begin rising again soon. I don't know what the rest of the middle east will do. If they can't get nuclear balance they will probably try to wear down Israel's military capacity with proxy wars. That will pretty much tie up the US in the middle east for at least another decade. The only silver lining in that scenario is that a potential SINO-US conflict will be off the table.


A nuclear weapon isn't the "you win" button you are trained to think it is. It would certainly make life miserable for Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and any other country Israel wants to attack. What you're not getting is that Israel uses its nuclear threat to intimidate the neutral countries rather than its long-term enemies. That is the chief purpose of nuclear arsenals - to give the impression that you'll hurt your allies by dragging them into an unwinnable war if you don't get your way. As a deterrent against an enemy, the enemy will prepare for the worst in all cases. The Soviet Union, USA, PRC all do or did. As I mentioned, to do anything other than a spite attack, Israel needs complete US backing for an aggressive campaign. Any such campaign would not be Israel pushing the US but the other way around - the US has all of the leverage to dictate what it will do with its army. What Israel wants to do is hold a card to get more of their way, so the US has to take Israel's side more than it would otherwise. If Israel would never lift a finger to hurt their ally, the US would be more than happy to throw Israel to the wolves. You're thinking like a victim, but leaders of states think like psychopaths who have been trained since birth to revel in terrorizing the little guy. So does Iran, and so the thinking of the leadership there is not "oh noes what will we do if a nuke hits us". People who think like that will not conduct human wave attacks in the Iran-Iraq war and make it clear they have more where that came from if the Great or Little Satan wants to throw down. It's not because the Iranians are mindless killbots, but because they like living and if they aren't prepared for that sort of situation, they're not going to last long. If you get a soldier in the US Army who actually knows what they're there to do, they're just as prepared to fight such a war. You shouldn't overestimate the competence of soldiers and think they're demigods, but it's pretty basic to military tactics to think about the thing you're doing and what it would really mean. All of the narratives put in the fear propaganda are intended to cow civilians into accepting a bogus-ass warrior aristocratic mindset without an actual aristocracy, and it's always stupid and designed to grind down the resolve of civilians to oppose anything the state does. Israel is just showing that it will play that fear card to the hilt, because it's all they have left. And so, if you ask people who actually plan a nuclear war and think about the consequences, they will tell you it's a weapon like any other, and treat it as such. The actual effects of a nuclear war are not as devastating as you are trained to believe, especially if someone thinks they will be clever and plan the war from start to finish with a limited exchange. The fear of MAD between the US/USSR - a fear that was entirely played up because there is no situation where the US and USSR ever go to war and no one in either country who was competent wanted that - was that both sides had nukes and could not actually conquer each other. Both would survive the war, but would be greatly reduced and gain nothing from it, and most importantly, the ruling elites of both countries would lose - unless they could arrange the war in such a way that the "right people" died, which meant they would be herded into kill zones and told to panic. The civilians, knowing what that is, will refuse to comply and just about everyone has their "bug out" strategy and a sense of when the bastards are actually going to do that. With what's happening now, many in the US bugged out years ago. No one should trust the government for anything or believe the government has any interest in saving them, and everything about this country turned to ritual sacrifice during the 1990s. This fucking Satanic country is hopeless.

>The liberals in Israel absolutely despise the current regime

Yeah, but are they going to overthrow Bibi? Of course not. It's like the liberals from 2000-2004 - a lot of them openly despised Bush and said from the start that his crusade would be a disaster, and it went just as they predicted. They still marched in line because they believed in the greater "Jehad" and believed the Arabs were animals to be slaughtered. The Jewish orthodox liberal is much the same in many cases, and the exceptions have long made it clear they know Israel is a shitty project and have no reason to not say so. The dissenters are not enough to sway Israeli actions and they won't do anything on their own. The dissenters in Israel are even less of a force and are regularly met with outraged shouts. The hardcores in Israel are straight up Jewish Nazis at this point and flex their muscles against anyone who is any bit out of step with the program. Not only would Israeli internal security stifle any protest from the opposition pretty easily, but there's enough shared interest among Israeli Jews to not allow a protest to escape the proper channels. They like living. Jews outside of Israel will be a lot more vocal about opposition if they are opposed, but they're also seeing correctly a lot more legit anti-Jewish sentiment inflamed in places they previously thought safe, and the Zionists can bank on directing some loony tunes huffing pure ideology to attack the liberal and socialist Jews. They already sold "Zionists are actually based" to the /pol crowd so they know they can make it happen, or at least use the threat to silence open dissent.

I think you have to figure out that normal is done, and the world does not play by the rules of the "post-truth order" that rose after 2008. It's not that there is suddenly a revival of intellectual integrity, but you can only sell these insipid narratives for so long before they stop working and people draw whatever conclusions they will. States have already altered their behavior accordingly, having planned out this situation well in advance. The escalation of overt Nazi rhetoric has been planned for a long time by true believers and was accepted in 2020 by everyone who mattered up there. Whether they like it is irrelevant.

One thing that is true is that Bibi himself is weak, and he's in a fucked situation if the US takes control of the situation and keeps it going in accord with its plans. He'd have to bank on the US political system failing as well, and guess what they have been working on for the past decade…


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They're now negotiating a temporary cease-fire, aid deliveries for Gaza and a prisoner/hostage swap.

I wonder if that's going to stick


Israel doesn't want a ceasefire. They want to bomb, starve, and eliminate Gaza and the West Bank's population, and because the soft-kill stuff won't work fast enough, they would keep bombing or do "peaceful" hard kill tactics that might as well be that.


>A nuclear weapon isn't the "you win" button you are trained to think it is.
Sure, if the Zionists were to start lobbying nukes at Iran, the Iranians would completely flatten Israel with conventional weapons, then arm and march 15 million conscripts to Israel and annihilate whatever and whoever is left. The response to a nuclear attack would be full spectrum annihilation. However the fact that Israel would get wiped off the map in the most literal sense, doesn't change the fact Iran really doesn't want to get nuked. Iran would loose 20-30% of it's population, and spend the next 300 years cleaning up nuclear fallout, that's not a price they want to pay for victory.

In the absence of sane international politics, it would probably be better if Iran also had a few nukes to balance out Israel's nukes, to render the above scenario statistically improbable.


>Israel doesn't want a ceasefire.
Yes but the US could make them agree to it regardless.

>They want to bomb, starve, and eliminate Gaza and the West Bank's population, and because the soft-kill stuff won't work fast enough, they would keep bombing or do "peaceful" hard kill tactics that might as well be that.

I know they want to clear out the Palestinians either by killing or displacing them, basically finish what they started in 1948. If they were to succeed, it would fundamentally change the politics of the Arab world and move to doing to the Zionists what they did to the Palestinians. The power to do that is real, the Arab world is industrialized too, it's not like in the colonial era.

So its in Israel's interests to engage in a ceasefire.


Jeremy Corbyn: “History Will Judge Those Who Had the Opportunity to Stop This Massacre”

<With every passing minute, another human being in Gaza is killed. Survivors under siege are running out of the basic means of survival. Doctors are performing surgery without anesthesia. Babies are fighting for survival in incubators running out of electricity. In the face of such catastrophic loss, we should be asking one question and one question only: How can we bring about an end to this unconscionable horror?



Israels war on hospitals
<With exclusive footage from inside the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip, Al-Shifa, The Grayzone examines the Israeli military's policy of attacking and eliminating medicare care centers across the northern part of the besieged Palestinian territory as it seeks to expel its residents.


>They want to bomb, starve, and eliminate Gaza and the West Bank's population
Morbid despair has caused some People to call that the "No state solution"


Apparently they have a Gaza truce agreement

Ceasefire for 4 days.

No military actions or military vehicle movements in the Gaza Strip
Lots of humanitarian aid trucks, medical and fuel supplies go into Gaza
No Drones in south Gaza for 4 days
No Drones for 6h/day from 10:00 to 16:00 in north Gaza
Israel isn't allowed to attack or arrest anybody in Gaza for 4 days
Israel guarantees that people can move freely on Salah al-Deen Street

I wonder how that will go.


>move to doing to the Zionists what they did to the Palestinians

Who's going to do that? Didn't the leaders of arabic countries have a meeting that just resulted in condemnation of israel's actions - basically empty words, and no action plan?


>Who's going to do that? Didn't the leaders of arabic countries
Yes ruling classes in Arab countries want to cuck out, but that has become legacy politics with declining momentum. The politics of the Arab populations have changed to categorical rejection of pro-Israel or neutral-Israel political stances. For many undecided Arabs Isreal's current death-campaign is just the last straw that broke the Camel's back. Other more immediate reasons are: the utter barbarity of the IDF military conduct, the psychotic rhetoric from Israeli officials and the fact that Israel looked weak because the Oct7 attack punched through their defenses. Israel's action are now increasing that perception of weakness because they try to compensate a lack of strength with an excess of barbarity. Israel is also antagonizing a fuck-ton Egyptians because they don't want 2 million Palestinian refugees. Egypt probably having been Israels most reliable partner can't do anything but treat this as hostility.

Also Israel is the last vestige of the colonial era, the last remaining middle finger from the British empire. Colonial power came from having a massive economic and military advantage because they already had a developed capitalist mode of production while most of the world was still primarily a agrarian slave or feudal society. Those could not compete because they had little or no machine production. That gap is gone, everybody has industrial machine production now. The material basis, for the vision of Israel that the ultra Zionists have, doesn't exist anymore. They want to dominate the region without an actual structural advantage to do so. The US being a declining empire means that the Zionists will have fewer US resources at their disposal to seek domination over their neighbors. The Israel-Arab diplomatic normalization that Israel was pursuing until recently was absolutely necessary for them in the "post US-primacy world" or "Multipolarity" or "Pluriporality". They fucked that up with their genocidal antics, if they continue down that path, they will grow weaker and continue to collect many more enemies along the way. And it's not hard to imagine where that ends up.


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The Zionists are trying to weaponize trademark-law for the purpose of censoring expressions of solidarity with Palestine. There is a big question as to why it was even possible to trademark a political slogan in the first place. It remains to be seen whether a judge would uphold this if it gets legally contested. If they do uphold this in a court of law they will create a precedent that will create a free for all trademark trolling bonanza that will trash the credibility of the trademark index.

I'm getting tired of complaining about how insane it is that this kind of lawfare still gets a pass. So I'm going to skip to the point where this might create an opportunity. If you have the technical skill and the ability to convince others to try out new structures you can create a alternative system, for verifying the names and descriptors of goods and services, on the basis of cryptographic signatures. You copy all the useful trademark rules and just modify the parts that lead to nonsense results.

I want to point out that trademarks are not the same as """intellectual property""" and in principle trademarks are kinda useful even to members of the Intellectual Freedom political spectrum who are entirely opposed to IP


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Norman Finkelstein roasts European Commission president Dr. Ursula von der Leyen for denouncing the ceasefire


Zionist anti-Palestine censorship is surging with Dylan Saba
The Chris Hedges Report

<Dylan Saba, a lawyer for Palestine Legal, was asked to write a piece on the silencing of pro-Palestine voices by The Guardian—only to then be informed at the last minute that his piece had been killed. Saba joins countless pro-Palestine activists and voices who have been targeted with termination, doxxing, harassment, censorship, and even death threats. Saba joins The Chris Hedges Report to discuss the intensifying war on civil liberties unfolding as public revulsion at Israel's crimes in Gaza grows.



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The UK is doing political persecution on behalf of the Zionists now.

They went after a few guys for distributing anti-zionist pamphlets. Either this is an extreme overreaction or Zionism as a political force in UK politics is about to collapse and these are the last ditch moves to uphold it by state terror. I mean if the pamphlet-stand is a threat, shit must be real desperate.

I don't know if the political pendulum theory is correct, but if it is, this is their pendulum apogee and its about to swing the other way.


Germany’s Bat Shit Insane Israel Loyalty Oath
<Yousef Munayyer, why Israel is a model for far-right politicians in Europe.

tldr: Zionists and the western hard right-wing join forces, to push for ethno-nationalism.

I wish there was a Marxist analysis about what parts of capital are supporting/opposing this.


Guess you guys should have spoken up during the dozen or so times Tommy Robinson was arrested…


>Guess you guys should have spoken up during the dozen or so times Tommy Robinson was arrested
I didn't even know who that was until you mentioned him here. So give me a break.

Here's the video of his arrest:
He's demanding the police should arrest Palestine-solidarity demonstrators while the police is arresting him. That makes it a little difficult to advocate for the political rights of that guy, since he's not upholding the political rights of others.

I haven't investigated his previous arrests, so i can't really speak about those. However it appears that in this case he didn't do anything wrong by attending a march against antisemitism.

Correct me if I'm wrong:

Tommy Robinson appears to have somewhat cynical politics to instrumentalise antisemitism-laws as a tool against foreigners seeking to immigrate. However he's being arrested because British capital wants to import foreigners to the UK to increase the labor supply. Which makes their politics even more cynical than his. The British ruling class fully supports the Zionists in Israel when they go into hardcore ethnic cleansing mode. But in the UK an entirely different rule-set applies and something much less extreme like expelling or denying entry to foreigners is barred from the spectrum of acceptable-politics as racism.

I haven't researched Robinson's political positions or actions, but it's somewhat likely that we would disagree on many things. However based on what i've seen sofar, he currently doesn't appear to be doing anything worth getting arrested for, and his rights shouldn't be trampled on until he does something that merits repression.

As far as the import of foreigners goes, which i guess this is really about:

The logic of capital is to support the liberals just enough to import these people, but not so much as to making them equal citizens. Once they're in the country Capital changes sides and supports the right-wingers just enough to prevent foreigners from getting labor-protections or political rights, but not enough to halt or reverse immigration.

From a communist perspective this is the worst of both worlds, because importing labor means increased wage competition, which means reducing the pay for workers. On the other hand the opposition to giving these people equal rights means creating a underclass of badly mistreated people that can be exploited as ultra low wage labor, and undermine class struggle. Low wages also means there is little incentive to invest into labor-productivity enhancing technology and the economy will remain stagnant. So it's Capitalism except they stripped out the few upsides it had, like the drive for relentlessly improving the tools to get stuff done.

There is another political angle here, the excessive brutality against the Palestinians by Israeli military, has maximally infuriated the Arab populations, which has flipped a switch in the middle east that is uniting them in a way that hasn't been the case in a thousand years. This has the potential to ferment enduring political changes in the M.E. that will crator the imperial project. Once that happens Capital will have another failed imperial investment on their hands and they're going to look for scape-goats. Since the Zionists are granted the narrative that they represent all the Jews, those will end up getting blamed for all the Zionist crimes and failed imperial investments. Every time a imperial project goes up in flames and imperial capital manages to avoid getting blamed for it, because they succeed at pinning it on a scapegoat, shit gets worse. They end up taking more resources from public services and the productive economy in order to try again with a different imperial project, that will most likely fail as well and the vicious cycle repeats until we're all going to drown in barbarism. So there is a strong necessity to redefine antisemitism so that Zionism cannot be equated with Judeism.

Tommy Robinson says he's pro-zionism, the Zionists however are not likely to reciprocate. Robinson doesn't appear to hate Jews, he seems to be more inclined to dislike Muslims. The Zionists seek collaboration with western right-wingers that hate Jews, because Zionists want Jews to feel unwelcome in the west and feel like they have no choice but to go to Israel, in order to boost Israels population demographics. So the Zionists want to distance them selves from people like Robinson because in their eyes he's ""the wrong kind of right-winger"". If Tommy Robinson takes the line that Israel is not representing all the Jews and grants the Jewish Diaspora (Jews that live outside of Israel) political independence from Zionism, he might be a candidate for a tactical alliance, because his version of Zionism might be less insane than the current mainstream Zionism.

Sorry for the textwall


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Biden apparently called for a cease-fire.

I'm confused, is that a genuine offer to turn off the murder-machine ?


In your picture he doesn't say anything close to what you said in your post.


True but this appears to imply it

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