/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>477454
>I still want Israel to nuke Gaza.
Israel would also nuke itself. All of Israel would be in the primary radioactive fallout zone. All the Israeli with the means, will fuck off. There would be hundreds of millions of people really mad that somebody set off a nuke in their backyard. The few remaining ultra Zionists would get swept away.

>savage terrorist
You just proposed nuclear genocide, it doesn't get any more savage than that.

>>477455
Holy fuck death to isreal, but, man I would smash.

>>477454
Back to pol.

90 journalists and reporters have so far been killed in gaza, which is an unusually high number.

The IDF seems to have deliberately shot a reporter, and when a medic tried to help, they shot that one too.

Seems Zionists are hunting journalists.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=YM-lOHoyZsg

>>477454
They already dropped 4 hiroshima's worth of ordinance on them.

>terrorist
implying there's anything wrong with that when it comes to zionists occupying your land.

It's so easy to side with the winning side Anon. It's harder to actually think for yourself.

>>477509
>They already dropped 4 hiroshima's worth of ordinance on them.
How many energy is that ?
If that energy was released slowly as heat, how long could you heat Europe with that.

<terrorist
>implying there's anything wrong with that when it comes to zionists occupying your land.
Well the Zionists have changed the definition for terrorism. Palestinians are labeled as terrorists simply for existing. I wouldn't accept that definition.

>It's so easy to side with the winning side Anon. It's harder to actually think for yourself.
The Zionists aren't winning, they are in the process of starting a regional war that has them out-manned and out-gunned. They might end up bricking Israel as a viable state.

The war in Gaza may widen. The Biden admin is getting ready for it.

<Biden administration officials are drawing up plans for the U.S. to respond to what they’re increasingly concerned could expand from a war in Gaza to a wider, protracted regional conflict.
<The military is drafting plans to hit back at Iran-backed Houthi militants who have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea
<The potential for wider conflict is growing, officials said, following a series of confrontations in Iraq, Lebanon and Iran
<Tensions in the region ratcheted up even higher on Thursday after the Biden administration launched a drone strike in Baghdad that killed the Iran-backed militia leader
<And there’s the ongoing fear that the violence in Gaza could spread to the West Bank and Lebanon. Already, Lebanese Hezbollah and Israel are trading fire on the border,
<CIA officer and Pentagon officia “The signs are blinking red for this to erupt into a regional war.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/04/war-gaza-widen-biden-getting-ready-00133949

fizzle or sizzle ?

>>477509
>the winning side
Zionists are hiding their casualties.

Staggering 12,500 Israeli soldiers to be classified as disabled
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/staggering-12-500-israeli-soldiers-to-be-classified-as-disab

<an independent company conducted an assessment at the Ministry's request. It indicates that a "conservative and cautious estimate" suggests that around 12,500 soldiers would be legally recognized as disabled. However, the total number of requests for recognition is expected to reach an astonishing 20,000.

Going into gaza for several weeks has caused upto 20k crippled IDF soldiers, just imagine what shape they're going to be in after they challenge a much more powerful opponent like Hezbollah.

I'm mad i couldn't find that picture of Netanyahu shamelessly doing a photo-op with idf veterans that lost their limbs.

>>477516
Latent mental illness. Actually fighting things, and putting up with the shit without the ability of commanders to gladhand and pass along the venal and give them their participation award, has that effect.

Psychiatrists fled from Israel for a reason - they're seeing their people being written off wholesale and there are limits to what someone can take part in. Nazis always do this - gut the people and say they're all crazy, while promoting Satanic and venal fucks. That's what Netanyahu is, a fucking gremlin, a product of the society that spawned him.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=dqtbFZyNLf0
Brian Berletic has a hypothesis that the US instructed one of their middle eastern proxies to bomb the funeral of a general in Iran. Seeking to create a political environment that would lead to escalation towards a wider conflict in the middle east.

Assuming that's true, does that mean the US is shifting to a position of making Israel and Iran destroy each other ?
The reason i'm thinking this, is because there is no way Israel doesn't get absolutely hammered during a regial conflict escalation.

If we continue along this speculative line. Iran will likely get support from Russia and China. Iran is important for Russian strategic security, and to China Iran is an important oil supplier and protector of Chinese trade-routs. Have they calculated that Iran's strength would get boosted by geo-political factors ?

Is there grand strategy involved ?
Are they trying to create a chaos zone to interrupt economic integration between Central-Asia Europe and Russia ?

>>477524
If the Zionists are dumb enough to keep blustering, I'm not going to weep when the Zionist Entity gets got. The US leadership doesn't have that sort of mind control powers though - they outsourced that to Israel. So, this is really their choice.

Based on the permissiveness for pro-Palestine propaganda - they would never let this shit leak in the recent past without the shrieking machine - I get the sense that this is a part of the coming internal war in the US that has been fomented, with Israel very obviously being for the maximal rot. Someone in the US command wants us to despise Israel and hope they get what's coming to them.

Without full US support, Israel is fucked and they know it. US is doing all of the work for their war, since IDF is only good for mooching money and being a mobster state.

>>477529
>If the Zionists are dumb enough to keep blustering
Yup the Zionists in Israel, that are trying to make the Iran war happening, that's hard to reconcile with a rational motivation.

>Based on the permissiveness for pro-Palestine propaganda - they would never let this shit leak in the recent past without the shrieking machine - I get the sense that this is a part of the coming internal war in the US that has been fomented, with Israel very obviously being for the maximal rot. Someone in the US command wants us to despise Israel and hope they get what's coming to them.
That could be true, they certainly would have cause for doing this.

Tho, i still think that Israeli politicians/public-figures are the ones working the hardest to make everybody despise Israel.
Check out the ICJ genocide case against Israel
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/01/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf
On page 59
''Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials
and Others''
So much unhinged murder screeching.

>Without full US support, Israel is fucked and they know it.
The US could just turn off the weapons supply, and this entire shitshow would be over.

>>477529
>the permissiveness for pro-Palestine propaganda
There is a lot of censorship on behalf of Zionism tho. For example Twitter appears to be banning a lot of accounts that criticize Israel for genocide. There was political repression against democratic demonstrations, and so on.

Fucking kikes managed to outdo even mein fuhrer!
Herr Shekelgrabber, how could this be?!

>>477533
Netanyahu (current regime-leader in Israel) tried to rehabilitate Hitler
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/21/middleeast/netanyahu-hitler-grand-mufti-holocaust/index.html
I don't know, maybe Zionists aren't real Jews.

Most Jews probably are opposed to the ongoing Palestine-genocide.

>>477537
It will turn very badly against them, and this is what the state propaganda is aiming towards. The neocons always wanted to stab Israel (or rather the poor sods who live there) in the back - it was all over the conservative milieu, not very well hidden but part of that fundamentalist milieu that attached to Bush. By extension it would be conflated with all Jews, an association they are very happy to encourage.

Unless you have an investment to protect, there's no "win condition" that comes out of what Israel is doing. It's harder to starve out a people with reserves than they believe - their idea is that this works like magic if you say the words enough and shape reality.

My guess is that this ends with the end of Israel and its replacement with a new thing. They aren't giving up genocide, but it will proceed on new terms - more explicitly Nazi terms, and without the "Jewish" character which is no longer defensible. The empire would prefer to just run the place as they please.

>>477539
I think you are correct that the likely-hood of the Israeli state getting wrecked is high.

The Zionists do indeed want people to conflate Zionism with all Jews, they want to stoke old-school anti-semitic hatred in the west to drive Jews towards Israel. But they are failing at that.

The liberals think Zionist Jews are the re-incarnation of 17 century European colonials that killed American natives. In the social context that means something like having hereditary guilt, which has to be simbolically repayed with seld-depricating social rituals. The liberal seek to guilt-trip but they don't seek expulsion. So for the Zionist agenda of driving Jews from the west to Israel that's a bust. The population is going into the other direction, because Israel is less safe than Europe or the US. Israel actually is a collonial society, but the liberals only got that right by accident. The Zionists also failed to instrumentalise the right-wing. Because those are only interested in "shipping" Muslims or people with a middle-eastern appearance to the middle east. Zionists however want that people with a european appearance to be "shipped" to Israel. Those are different "ethno-projects". They're going to have a tussel about which people to put on the deportation train, and then the train departs empty.

What the Zionists have done is conflate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism, and that's wearing out the "moral weight" of anti-semitism-accusations. That will cause some damage, because there still is actual anti-semitism, not a lot, but that will now become harder to counter.

The Zionists now register as hard fascists to the socialist left, because they did all the fascistic things.

Whether the US will actually be in the position to remake Israel after the Zionist projects has dismantled it self, is up in the Air. The US isn't going to be the only power looking to do that. I think that who ever can halt the genocide will get supreme international political capital which is what can reshape countries. The US could cut the Zionist off from the weapons-supply and make the hole problem go away. Even most of the countries that see the US as an enemy would end up pulling along-side the US because the priority is putting the fire in the middle east out before it singes their interests. If the escalation continues and it turns into a big war, China probably has better cards to become the peace-maker that decides about the shape of what comes after.

>>477541
Israel is getting wrecked less from on the ground activity, and more from the eventual withdrawal of support from the US - it kind of happens when the US is falling apart and turned into a Nazified plantation and has nothing left to give. Israel can win in all of its theaters but without foreign support - extracted at knife-point - the Muslim world vastly outnumbers them, and the one guanrator of peace for Israel either no longer exists, or is no longer willing to support their cause.

Since the US will not commit ground armies, what remains is the same grinding plan war we've seen for decades.

These are bad times for the empire - or at least, bad times for the people in that empire. If Israel wanted to win anything, they'd stop undermining the Americans and stop treating their "friends" like dogs - but they can't stop doing that. Since when have they ever viewed Americans with anything but contempt and ruled them through fear and lies, so far as they have any pull over America? Americans certainly have no reason to protect the Zionists, and the Empire doesn't need "Israel" for anything. If Israel survives this, it will be a depreciated state, without all the goodies that have been coming to them for decades.

The Palestinians are fucked - that's been done. Israel has made it a point to kill anyone and anything that represented an independent Palestinian nation or core - their intellectual leaders, doctors, any person with any sort of claim for leadership. When Israel says "wipe out Hamas" they are effectively calling for the extermination of any leader among them and any potential new leaders. Due to the mental separation in political-legal minds, this is seen as totally normal and not at all something that requires genocide, if you're getting rid of just the Bad People. It just so happens in this case, the Bad People aren't poors but the leaders of the enemy. The greater problem with this is that their political theory is that ordinary people are too stupid and scattered to fight, but people who are pushed to this and have nothing to lose will shoot at any occupier and give no shits about it. There comes a point where the niceties fail, and determined enemies will make it very difficult to capture them, nor will they cooperate with being bunched together to be killed in a nuke blast. (I've said before, the "nukes as wonder weapon" are overrated, because anyone prepared for civil defense can find bunkers or make bunkers out of sewer systems and the tunnels that are commonly mentioned. Every country has underground networks specifically to keep enough of their people alive against such an attack. Humans are too stubborn to die to the wunderwaffen just like that, but the ideology and political theory of the liberals insists they can terrorize the people. What the nukes will mean is the end of peace and freedom of movement, and a lot of unnecessary suffering, but since that's already the case for Gaza, nuking or gassing them don't change that.)

Naturally, all eyes are seeing when the US goes to shit, which it will likely do by year's end. That's what is really fought for in all of this, rather than a regional war that can be contained and kept "over there". The last pitch to sell the war will be to convince enough assholes that "we have to fight them there so we can survive here" - but that won't stop the US from imploding anyway. Too many people in the US want to see it torn down, because they love making us suffer. They've been doing it since 1980, so why stop now?

>>477542
>Israel is getting wrecked less from on the ground activity, and more from the eventual withdrawal of support from the US
I'm sorry but this framing is fucked up. The US has no obligation to support a genocide with weapon-supplies. Israel is wrecking it self in that case.

>The Palestinians are fucked - that's been done. Israel has made it a point to kill anyone and anything that represented an independent Palestinian nation or core
I doubt that's true. However if Israel were to succeed in destroying any chance for a separate Palestinian state, that would just change the demand to a One state solution, and that One state would be a multi-ethnic Palestine.

Are they seriously going to light the middle east on fire ?
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=0XIIDZZM79k

For no other reason than to enable the Zionists to kill civilians.

>>477548
>For no other reason
Anon, please.

>>477554
oh right, i tend to forget about war-profiteers.

https://skwawkbox.org/2024/01/10/netanyahu-changes-tune-about-ethnic-cleansing-on-eve-of-icj-genocide-hearing/
<Far-right Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has suddenly – for the first time – said that he doesn’t want to drive Palestinians out of Gaza. Previously, Netanyahu has described Gazans as ‘Amalek’, a reference to a biblical nation that the Israelites destroyed down to the last person
<The change comes on the evening before Israel faces South Africa’s genocide accusations in the International Court of Justice
<Israel appears to be seriously worried about the outcome of the ICJ case.

So Netanyahu now claims there's no intention of genociding Palestinians. Contradicting his previous statements and I paraphrase: "motherfucker we'gonna go biblical on Palestinians". Many people are taking this as a sign that the ICJ genocide case against Israel is creating enough political pressure to make them at least change their tune.

But is that actually true ? There have been so many of these international institutions saying "Israel Bad" and the Zionists just kept on mass murdering. What changed ?

>>477568
I don't know what the gremlin's bullshit is this time, except misdirection. You don't take back the shit coming out of his mouth let alone the actions of the Entity. Also, the ICJ case is such a laughable farce that this has to be play-acting. We're seeing in real time the end of the "genocide" narrative of liberal democracy, and the mask-off where genocide is relitigated and reinterpreted by the Nazis, to claim that the Krauts were genocided by the meanie Russians instead of getting what they deserved. That the terror bombing was done by the Americans and British is neither here nor there, nor that the Nazis always seemed to survive. The whole thing was Nazis in America helping Kraut Nazis kill off the civilians, since eugenics cannot fail, it can only be failed - and the poor men, women, and children of Germany dying to bombs and starvation were the people who hated the Nazis the whole way through, and were made to go around with the failure of the German race and it's inability to understand what "democracy" or "freedom" mean, none of which was the fault or the interest of those the Nazis were happy to kill off for the "greater good". Eugenists are shameless, and it is episodes like that which purged as much good in the German race as they could, and gave cover to make them into true and pure barking Kraut animals.

When you think of things like that, it really makes you think whether this court ever cared about genocide, seeing as this was mostly a way to slap the wrist of people the liberal world order didn't like. The Soviet Union did most of the killing of Nazis, but never saw terror bombing or glorification of killing as useful for any war aim. It makes Stalin and the Red Army into big fucking heroes, yet the eugenists cry about Kraut whores being raped as they should for being faithful whores for such a regime.

>>477577
Even here, the advance troops that took Berlin were professional - believe it or not, armies that actually fight shit don't go around shouting about how great it is to rape and kill things. Failed armies of fag regimes do that.

>>477577
Take your meds.

>>477577
>the ICJ case is such a laughable farce that this has to be play-acting
The South Africans launched this under Presiden Ramaphosa. He was a labor union guy and fought against the apartheid regime. He's also a Cuban revolution enjoyer. There's no reason to think they're not serious.

>We're seeing in real time the end of the "genocide" narrative of liberal democracy, and the mask-off where genocide is relitigated and reinterpreted by the Nazis
No the masses aren't buying it, we won that part of the ideological struggle, the Zionists have to pretend they aren't monsters, and they're unable to just declare them selves as the infallible Ubermensch.

Check out Joti Brar, she makes the point that even the ruling discourse has to make ideological concessions.
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=L8j7ccPrBbU

>>477580
>The South Africans launched this under Presiden Ramaphosa. He was a labor union guy and fought against the apartheid regime. He's also a Cuban revolution enjoyer. There's no reason to think they're not serious.
Then why the fuck are they affirming Israel's narrative that Hamas killed all those civilians on October 7? Israel killed the civilians in an application of Hannibal doctrine, and the evidence is overwhelming.

South Africa's lawyers are like those defense lawyers that tell every client to take a plea deal.

>>477580
>Joti Brar
Another dumb dengoid vaxxie, no thank you

>>477591
>Then why the fuck are they affirming Israel's narrative that Hamas killed all those civilians on October 7?
Simple: Priorities.
They picked the one thing they cared about the most and made that their fight. If they can make the genocide case stick, that's a big win, regardless whether the oct7 narrative remains uncorrected.

>Israel killed the civilians in an application of Hannibal doctrine, and the evidence is overwhelming.
Yes but the Hannibal doctrine is Israelis murdering Israelis, so it probably isn't considered relevant for an International court. There's a decent chance that once the dust settles, that friends and families of the murder victims as well as civil rights orgs will go after the "Hannibal gang". Aside from civil lawsuits, there could also be military tribunals, because ordering soldiers to intentionally kill their own countrymen, that usually is considered treasonous.

>>477591
>Israel killed the civilians [on October 7]

This is some QAnon level conspiracy stuff dude. Touch grass.

>>477594
>conspiracy stuff
Definitely not, John Mearsheimer also thinks there is evidence that the Israelis did a Hannibal.
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=iZlQOjq4EvM

>>477592
Brar is good a explaining, and she's a based anti-imperialist.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=YnyKfBL3p6c

>>477597
it's a fake, don't click it

Hamas.com: Israel's latest propaganda tool
https://www.newarab.com/news/hamascom-israels-latest-propaganda-tool
<The counterfeit Hamas website, which was registered by an Israeli software company, is being used by the government to promote anti-Palestinian propaganda.
The URL ‘hamas.com’ has been widely shared online by the Israeli government accounts and spokespeople on X, formerly Twitter
<social media users and investigative journalists have pointed out that the Hamas.com site is fake and does not belong to the official Hamas group. The Palestinian militant group’s official website, which follows the State of Palestine internet country code ‘.ps’ appears to be offline.

<By scrolling further down, viewers are met with a sequence of graphic and violent images and video footage
Fucking Zionists can't help them selves, can't refrain from gore posting.

So what did Hamas get out of this entire ordeal? Was turning Palestine into an open air parking lot part of their plan?

>>477602
Retards are going to find a way to defend this shit no matter what because sunken cost fallacy

>>477594
kill yourself zionist lib.

>>477593
>Simple: Priorities.
Undermining their own case is not a priority, it is treason against Palestine. If they didn't want to get into October 7 they could simply not discuss it. Instead they are affirming Israel's false narrative, which is being used as a pretext for the Israeli aggression.

HOW DOES IT HELP THE GENOCIDE CASE IF THEY ARE SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S JUSTIFICATIONS?

>>477596
She's a fed.

>>477602
Hamas (and PFLP, DFLP, PIJ, etc) performed a preemptive strike on October 7. Israel's actions since then were obviously planned to happen regardless. What do you think the resistance should do as an alternative? Lay down their arms?

>>477602
see
>>475845

>>477602
Hamas leadership probably think all the civilian deaths are ok because they get to paradise. Israeli atrocities are good propaganda for Hamas cause.

>>477602
>Was turning Palestine into an open air parking lot part of their plan?
The Zionists did that and Uncle Sam supplied the bombs.
The Palestinians did not conduct a massive areal bombarding campaign against Gaza.

Don't try that psychotic inversion of reality shit.

>>477595
>citing to John Mearsheimer as a credible source

my fucking sides dude

FFS you can be anti-Israel and also acknowledge that Hamas pulled some sick shit on October 7.

>>477609
>Undermining their own case is not a priority, it is treason against Palestine.
It doesn't look like they are undermining their own case to me, let me explain.

>If they didn't want to get into October 7 they could simply not discuss it. Instead they are affirming Israel's false narrative, which is being used as a pretext for the Israeli aggression.
I get where you're coming from, Oct7 has nothing to do with this, the Zionists are motivated to destroy gaza because they want to continue killing and displacing Palestinians, for the sake of expanding their apartheid state. But the Africans don't have the necessary media apparatus to correct the false narrative or choose the premise of the discussion.

>HOW DOES IT HELP THE GENOCIDE CASE IF THEY ARE SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S JUSTIFICATIONS?
There are no justifications for genocide.
The case is about what Israel is doing, not why they are doing it.

The Zionists can't argue that October 7 was terrible and therefore they get to commit a genocide. The logic that killing in self-defense can be permissible in certain circumstances doesn't apply to genocide.

Also on a legal technical side, this is a pre-stage to a genocide tribunal, they are trying to get the ICJ to command Israel to cease military operations, because there might be a genocide. So this is a bid to create political pressure to halt combat.

It just amazes me that even on this shitty little board with like 1 PPH, the Hasbara and FBI feds take their time to come here and shit this thread up. Why can't you little fascist freaks just kill yourselves??

>>477615
No, credit where credit is do, John Mearsheimer's takes are grounded in reality, even if we don't agree on ideology.

>FFS you can be anti-Israel and also acknowledge that Hamas pulled some sick shit on October 7.
I'm not necessarily opposed to Israel, i'm opposed to Zionism, because its fascist(Marxist definition) in ideology and praxis. At least in theory Israel could be a "normal" country without the apartheid mega-death bullshit.

A violent reaction to the inhuman conditions in Gaza is universal to the human species, if there wasn't a Hamas there would be something else. Ultimately the Zionists created the conditions for OCT7 and i think they should get the blame. You certainly can't blame the Palestinians, they aren't granted rights and protections, hence they don't have obligations either. This is not a one-way street, the Zionists do not get to impose uncivilized conditions on Palestinians and still demand civilized conduct in return. If you create good material conditions for people you get peaceful people with a pleasant attitude. If you create horrible material conditions for people, you get violent and unpleasant people. It's not realistic to expect anything else. Consider that most Palestinians alive today, never experienced peace, their entire life has been war, their entire live has been an experience that political agency flows from the bomb-bay of a fighter jet.

There is another disturbing political current that i wish to oppose. There are people who try to harm others by weaponizing the environment, and that can't get a pass. A historic example would be Malthus from the 1800s, he advocated to create unsanitary conditions in the poor-people districts in order to encourage more death among the poor. The Zionists have also tried to kill Palestinians via a weaponized environment.

Of course I would much prefer if there was a secular communist resistance that embodied enlightenment values in Gaza instead of Hamas with backwards religious stuff. But there's no point in complaining, there already are more than enough armchair communists complaining about how other people are struggling wrong.

Also the Zionists went too far and they have now become "Tätervolk", and no longer count as "Opfervolk" in the Political framing.
"Tätervolk" translates to perpetrator-people
"Opfervolk" translates to victimized-people
What this means for the political decorum, can be explained by an example from WW2. There is no expectation that when we talk about the Holocaust that we also have to acknowledge the Dresden terror bombings. In the same vein we can talk about the genocide of the Palestinians as a stand alone event without having to acknowledge OCT7.

But all of what i just said is nothing but irrelevant academic masturbation anyway. The Zionists have declared that all Palestinians (including unborn babies) are Hamas, so even if i shared your opinion, i couldn't condemn Hamas because it would be advocacy for collective punishment against all Palestinians.

>>477615
>citing a political scientist whose theories have consistently produced accurate predictions as a credible source
Time to move on from the Ukraine grift, anon?

>>477615
all settlers deserved it

>>477615
If I understand correctly, Mearshimer is saying that Israel killed (or fabricated killings of) it's own people while Hamas attacked, to make a claim that Hamas is unfathomable evil.

There is a pathological need to believe Hamas was "pressed to act", "triggered", or something that retains the belief that people are pawns to be moved by the system. There hasn't been "restraint" or "tit for tat responses" as if they were two entities at peace. We're past the point where there is reconciliation. That's over, and there was no reconciliation as far as the Muslim world cared short of Israel's dissolution as "Israel". So long as Israel exists, it would be a violent imposition on the region. The aim of the Muslims has long been to rid the region of that entity.

>>477626
>If I understand correctly, Mearshimer is saying that Israel killed (or fabricated killings of) it's own people while Hamas attacked, to make a claim that Hamas is unfathomable evil.
Not quite.
The Hannibal doctrine means that the IDF will murder with prejudice their own soldiers and Israeli citizens in order to prevent them from getting captured/kidnapped.
It looks like the IDF did that during the Hamas attack, which included kidnapping/capture of Israeli citizens and idf-soldiers. Later the Israelis claimed that Hamas had killed those people that in reality got "haniballed"
In addition to that Zionist propaganda also made up horror stories about decapitated babies and mutilations of women, in order to paint a picture of "unfathomable evil"
>There is a pathological need to believe Hamas was "pressed to act", "triggered", or something
Yes the Palestinians are very triggered about having to live under a Zionist occupation, and feel pressed to act towards ending that occupation. Human beings really hate being subjected to a brutal occupation force that stomps them into the dirt. And they will try to kill their occupies every chance they get. That's just how reality works. Some people a appear to have a pathological need to believe that there is an expectation that victims of such an occupation ought not to fight back.
> We're past the point where there is reconciliation. That's over
You're manufacturing consent for a regional war ? why ?
Sometimes i get the impression that we need more militant diplomacy efforts.
>So long as Israel exists, it would be a violent imposition on the region. The aim of the Muslims has long been to rid the region of that entity.
This isn't a war of civilizations. Israel could stop doing the retarded Zionist ethno-state expansionism bullshit and quit being the US imperial attack dog. Simply becoming a normal country of that region that has normal relations is an option.