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Be honest…

Has your life gotten materially better or worse since this faggot supposedly got elected.?
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>Trump was a Russian asset and got us into a conflict with Russia!


I didn't say that you retard.
At the start of his precedency he began launching airshows on the border of Russia which spooked the Russian government who then put anti aircraft missiles on the border of Crimea. Retards like you just let shit like that get memory hold'd because you are a dumb coomer.


>ackshually, in 1918, US forces invaded Vladivostok. The president at the time was Woodrow Wilson - a Democrat. ha! So, you see, Trump dindu nuffin
This is how dumb you sound


Not to mention Trump sabotaged the INF treaty, the single most important anti-nuclear treaty that prevented 5-minute hair trigger Armageddon responses.


We get it. You voted for Biden


And Biden sabotaged New START, the last remaining nuclear arms control treaty. There is absolutely nothing stopping an unconstrained arms race towards nuclear hellfire now.


Anon I think you're confused.


Yes, I'm confused about how any straight man could support Biden. I kinda hope, for your sake, that you make a living and get paid this way. No shame in that. Everyone's gotta make a living somehow, and what with inflation as it is., I can't fault anyone for jumping on an opportunity to make some good cash in this economy.


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>Yes, I'm confused about how any straight man could support Biden. I kinda hope, for your sake, that you make a living and get paid this way. No shame in that. Everyone's gotta make a living somehow, and what with inflation as it is., I can't fault anyone for jumping on an opportunity to make some good cash in this economy.
Well, partner, I reckon it's high time we cleared up that there's more to folks than just their political leanings. You see, it's a mite simplistic to think that someone's support for a particular fella like Biden or any other politician defines their whole self. Now, I can understand having differences of opinion, but let's not jump to conclusions, shall we?

Now, I reckon a fella's support for Biden might stem from various reasons, like maybe they believe in the policies he's put forward. Heck, some folks might be inclined toward his experience and think he's the best choice for the job. It ain't just about making a living, partner, it's about what they reckon is best for their country.

And as for making a living, well, that's something we all gotta do. It's the way of the world. We gotta put food on the table, pay our bills, and take care of our kin. So, if someone's found a way to make an honest living, well, I say good on 'em. Ain't no shame in that.

Now, I'll tell ya, inflation's been a mighty concern for many these days. It's getting harder and harder to stretch a dollar, and that's the honest truth. If folks can find a way to make some decent cash in these challenging times, more power to 'em. It's about survivin' and thrivin' in a world that's ever-changin'.

But let's not forget, partner, that it's a big ol' world out there, and folks are diverse in their thinkin'. It's what makes this country so special. We can have different viewpoints and still find common ground. So, before we go judgin' a fella for who they support, maybe it's worth havin' a good ol' conversation and tryin' to understand where they're comin' from.

In the end, it's about respectin' each other's right to their own beliefs and rememberin' that there's more to a person than their politics. So, let's tip our hats to civil discourse and understandin', partner, 'cause that's what makes this here world go 'round.


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It's funny, but… it'd be funnier if a human wrote it.


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fuck… the pizza cat got to me
here are some catgirls as penance


Alright I kek'd pretty hard at this.


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Waka Flocka Flame will lead with urban lumpen proletariat in a MAGACommunism uprising. The result will be the total liquidation of the modern whitecollar kulak class, including their NEET children.


Better because presidents are fundamentally interchangable, but the outrage farms get less reach talking about Soda vs when they used to talk about Orange.
News is an addictive substance, people snorting it less makes socializing less stressful, which improved my life considerably. I'm not convinced Soda is doing anything Orange wouldn't have done too.


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>More Biden Ls

It's funny how leftists will ruin a country and then blame capitalism


>It's funny how leftists will ruin a country
Which country do you think is run by leftists ?

>blame capitalism

Well you're currently living in a capitalist economy, what you see now is what capitalism does.

The people who bombed the Gaza hospital and made the Arab world go nope, were hardcore Zionists, do you think these are left ?




So you think the US is currently run by leftists ?
But Biden isn't really doing stuff that leftists want. He's clearly not reigning-in/abolishing capitalism, reducing military spending, making peace, investing lots into infrastructure/social-services and so on.

As far as i know the only thing that he's done that might be something good is that big hydrogen project. I haven't seen a technical breakdown so i can't give you real verdict, but it does appear to also have nuclear powered hydrogen synthesis, so they might actually intent this thing to produce significant quantities of energy.


It's baffling to me how you could think Zionism is leftist ?
Can you explain why you think this ?


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>Biden isn't doing what we want so he's not leftist
And yet, this thread is filled with leftists shilling and carrying water for him
Moreover, why would Biden cater to the left? The so called left is the psyoped progeny and general bitch of the DNC, not the other way around.

Nonetheless, The liberal wing of porkie gives cultural form to the ethos of human rights, equality, social justice, while simultaneously revealing how shallow, rhetorical, manipulative, and false such discourse and values can be.


Israel is a settler military welfare state where people get free healthcare and basic education. Kinda based in its own right. Judaism is also highly chauvinist in nature.

Jews, according to their own religious scripture, are ancestrally and exclusively chosen as God's people. As such, Jews are separate in this regard from all other people on Earth. (Christianity and Islam are much more equalitarian and leftist in this regard, with a God that said to be the God of all people - and anyone of any ethnicity or race can become one of God's favored either through acceptance of Jesus or Muhammad as the son/final prophet, plus a few other things like praying, etc)

So, in some ways, Israel is kinda based.

But I really don't give a fuck about that.

They're still a bunch of fags in my book.

They're a bunch of welfare queens that get free shit thanks to western graces and tax dollars, while the west gets absolutely fuck all nothing in return - and has only encouraged animosity from Muslims and Arab countries. The only people who benefit (beside faggot ugly Israeli welfare queens) are porkie military contractors and the diplomatic corp of the swamp.

The actions by the Gazans are commendable and retarded at the same time - and most of all understandable.

I'm not into picking sides in conflicts I have know influence over or skin in - but I'm sure not supporting of Israel's fake and ghey right to exist of the tit of western subsidies.

<Back to Biden

You are absolutely retarded if you think Biden is actually running anything, even his own daily affairs, let alone having any influence or power - except maybe over the flavor of ice cream.

This is practically a Weekend at Bernie's scenario.

Biden is a mentally feebled political idol/scarecrow to represent the thing called the American presidency for the idiots who believe it.

That begs the question of who actually runs the show.

I'll leave that up to you to speculate on.

But with regards the other real world option, Caesar Trump, it begs the question of why the so called left sides with the oligarchy and its fake and ghey democracy and president.


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>Biden sisters…. I don't feel so good


>Israel is a settler military welfare state where people get free healthcare and basic education. Kinda based in its own right.
All paid for by US taxpayers. There is nothing based about a country that will collapse overnight without foreign aide.


>Also has vids of your leaders fucking kids
Keep that welfare coming


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Biggest accomplishment of the Biden regime:

>Spying on the financial activities of plebs


Zionazis and their enablers are the ultimate gibsmedat state, and true to form, /pol starts screeching like the retards they are when their gibsmedat is taken from them. People like that are the lowest uyghurs on the Earth, the archetypical example of someone who will be an enabler of the slave system and massa. What a failed race, really. what a failed race.


>Zionazis and their enablers are the ultimate gibsmedat state
The rulers look at Israel as a good investment for power-projection

Tho I don't know if they still think this today, since from the US perspective Israel is antagonizing the locals too much, which is increasing the resistance towards US empire.


They don't believe that. They say it, and Biden grovels so well for them, but there's no real American interest in Israel, and hasn't been for a long time. Back when the oil could be contested, Israel was useful, but when the Americans could just talk to the Arabs direct and own the kings and princes in the Gulf, Israel has been entirely a nuisance. It's why Israel has to make everyone go along with this through pure threats and fear. They have nothing else to offer and don't need to do anything else.

Politicians know if they cross Israel, they're dead. The smear campaigns will destroy them. Eventually they run out of money or the threats they make can no longer be backed up. Lately, the political class is more capable of breaking the fear of Israel, but those who offered themselves to AIPAC must cover their asses, and Israel still has enough threats to make the imperial core howl if they are called upon. The imperial elites can smear their enemies on their own, but if Israel can be used as a trigger, they're not averse to that. US/UK/Israel can get along because they believe in 99% of the same things, but Israel makes it clear they hate their masters and Israel has always been an incredibly annoying vassal. They'd never openly fight each other or turn on each other, but there can come a point where the US leadership is done listening to their shit and tells them to go to hell, and the Arabs and Iranians would be happy to send them there.


The arms contractors loving having someone who will buy their equipment, and selling Israel the Iron Dome is a great test for what they want in the future. Besides that, though, Israel doesn't serve much of the imperial project any more, aside from killing people and the usual eugenics stuff. There's no spiritual or material tie that makes the US a necessary slave to Israel. Israel needs the US desperately because no one else is interested in giving them any support, but they only have the fear card to play and so they never want anyone acknowledging too openly what they really think about the Zionists.


When you hear from the bureaucrats in the US state, the fixtures who actually operate anything from administration to adminstration, they can't fucking stand Israeli bullshit. State Department had so many quits and disgusted statements from people in it that they were forced to supplicate to Israel, and those are the people who are supposed to be diplomatic. The army guys have openly pissed on Israel because they know the IDF is a joke army, even by the low standards expected of a plan war military, and they really hate that they're going to have to do Israel's work for them. You had one of the American generals during the buildup to the Iraq War say outright we were made to stand and die for Israel rather than anything worthwhile for us. That war did nothing but make the US weaker and the plan would have been much worse if Bush could make it so.

I wouldn't be surprised if pretty soon "Anuddah Shoah" becomes a mainstream acceptable opinion, after Israel annoys people for a few more years with this routine, if the plug isn't pulled soon and they're left to their fate.


And it seems like the Zionist propaganda is basically goading Americans and the world to believe the Jews really are evil and Hitler was right all along, because Israeli elite assholes will be in their gated communities and are perfectly fine to let the rest of the Jews suffer.


But, Israel is fucked. They either drag the US into a general war it cannot actually wage, or the US gives up on the region. Netanyahu did his part to suck the Americans of what blood he could and he's pissy that his own people fucking hate him.


They might be able to flatten Gaza - they probably figure the Arabs aren't going to strike reactively, and if it comes to war, the Middle East will form a coalition. It wouldn't be a tit for tat escalation that just sorta happens. It would either require dislodging the US from the region, or they cut a deal with the US and the backstab returns. The Americans wouldn't see the Muslims as an existential enemy in the way Israel would - they have the option of working with the new status quo and ditching this obnoxious vassal, as long as the oil keeps flowing and the empire gets what it really cares about.


I don't think this much open disgust for Israel would be permitted if the US was really invested in a decades-long crusade - literally a crusade. The fundies have always seen Israel as another ritual sacrifice and they're really grinning that they can fulfill their made up prophecy.


Also something something "If Haiti sank into the ocean, no American interest would be threatened". The truth now is that the only thing Americans will get from Israel is whining and barking, and that has been enough so long as armaments can be sold.


>Politicians know if they cross Israel, they're dead. The smear campaigns will destroy them.
So Western politicians have forgotten how to play rough politics ?
I find that hard to believe.

All they have to do is close ranks and repeat over and over:
It's antisemitism to equate Jews and Zionists.


Israel almost certainly holds compromising material to make them comply. You saw what happened to Corbyn for merely his past political positions - that machine can be turned against anyone to accuse them until the offending politicians break.

If you understand a republic, these people are not best friends or united by some sense of goodwill. Many of them have no reason to ever oppose Israel so they're committed to toeing the line.

Someone can make a stand - maybe even a majority - but the kompromat will make doing this painful. The Israelis will throw everything they have to make sure they get their way if such a thing happened. The only way it shuts off is if there are forces at work no amount of threats can answer, or there is an ultimatum from something more than the esteem of some random Congresspeople. It's not about having a friendly line that is appealing. Doing anything other than what Israel wants means they would be effectively saying Israel can go fuck itself, in the middle of a war. It would be in effect declaring that US backing for Israel will no longer be given, or will come with stipulations that the Israelis will not accept without fighting it. None of this is about what anyone believes or making a public relations impression. It's about what such statements and resolutions imply. If you're not with your allies 100% and say everything they say, there isn't an alliance. It would be like dithering over whether you support the Nazis or the Soviets and playing the both sides argument. It's double-dealing and looks disgusting, and that sort of thing pisses off everyone. The truth of the statements is irrelevant - people will believe what their sense tells them, not what the influencers say is popular or wins you friends. There are enough Jews, some in Israel itself, who do not like what the Israeli government is doing at all. It fucks them and they've been very vocal about not associating with anything Israel is putting out. Hilariously, the people who aren't on the "bash Israel" train right now are literal Nazis who screech about ZOG all the time. Now Israel is "based" because of ethnostate ideological faggotry. Those cuckolds made their line clear - there's no there there. They can't even be consistent racists, typical of such faggotry. I saw that coming years before it happened - such limp-wristed fags aren't going to stand for anything except shouting.


That said, it's not a matter of cowardice for US Congresspeople. It's a matter of survival. In private a number of them will say or leak their real opinion on the matter. Nobody cares about the faux moral posturing. The vehemently pro-Israel members like Schumer have dual citizenship and so they know what they really do this for - he's not stupid enough to need an ideology to justify anything to him.


In any event, if there's a break in the policy, it's not going to come from a Congressional resolution based on a change of heart. It's going to come from the Department of Defense saying "fuck this" and putting their foot down.

Based on the actions of the US, I do not believe they will let Israel get its way to the fullest extent. The US in political speech is ginning up maximal support for Israel, but in its real actions, they really really do not want what Bibi wants them to do.


The ideal for the US is for Israel to declare victory, broker some shabbily put together peace dealie, and try to put the Middle East out of sight for at least a few years. The last thing they want is to abandon the "war on the cheap" thing Obama brought in, at a very bad time for the US with shit popping off on more fronts. A war with Iran would probably lead to a whole lot of actors taking their swing at US holdings, and it wouldn't just be military confrontations. It would probably lead to Xi making that fated phonecall to whomever rules in Taiwan and saying they're coming. That by the way is how Taiwan will unfold - that was set up long ago, and all this bluster about defending Taiwan is a bunch of malarkey. The real problem for China is reintegrating the GMD and bringing the people in line with the CCP, and the West would do a lot to muddy that process unless China continues to play ball. But, China would score a huge political win because the US would be distracted, and then more fronts would pop off.


>Israel almost certainly holds compromising material to make them comply. You saw what happened to Corbyn for merely his past political positions - that machine can be turned against anyone to accuse them until the offending politicians break.

Yeah but Corbyn was weak, in the past socdems had connections to the mob, and political interference of that type would not have been tolerated.

I doubt all politicians are vulnerable like Corbyn was. Some politicians may not have any skeletons in the closet, that could compromise them.

Also Corbyn's media campaign pursued the wrong strategy, he could have not given the offending media any access, unless they quit smearing him. Corbyn was popular enough that he commanded the attention and not the newsorgs.


Wasn't about Corbyn as a man. It was a flex to show that any iota of opposition, including things said 40 years ago, was wrongthink. It was a test of the ADL smear machine revamp for the internet era. They lost their edge during the rise of internet discourse and that was a way of showing that they'd destroy anyone opposing their plan for the weakest excuses. Corbyn was, like Bernie, a ritual sacrifice to make it clear to the left that they will fear their own thoughts and learn to love it. He was also a dreadful Fabian Society leader, and had no business being where he was. Labour by that point was a dead horse, and now they have effectively permanent Tory dictatorship no matter how badly they govern. If Starmer is "elected" he'd probably just sell off the country to the new Five Eyes Oceania superstate deal - Trilateral guy gonna do Trilateral Commission things.


The point here though isn't about the appeal of socdems (they have none, their positions are utterly discredited and they've all rolled in to fascism). The point is that Israel proved they could make the media smear anyone at any time and flood the zone with charges they could never make in the past. The old way relied on artful smears and insinuations, and a clever politician could parry those thrusts or just show outright contempt, saying Israel is a shitty little country and catering to the anti-Jewish sentiment. The old way could only go full bore against people who were staunchly anti-Jew, and by then the politician just shrugged it off and could still remain respectable. The new smears made it clear that if you didn't kowtow, non-stop hit pieces would come day after day and turn your own core supporters against you. This isn't just a leftist thing. Conservatives after that display were very cautious about speaking too loosely or suggesting too much moderation. It's no great secret that the conservative base and many interests in their tent are not fond of forking over tribute to Israel, and that's who they really need to keep on-side. The conservatives might be cuckolds but they're also miserly and, like most people, sick of Israel's horseshit. You could find a few such people in the GOP too - more than a few if they can speak off the record. The full throated fascistic support for Israel now is one part fear and one part Christian fascist yahoos fulfilling a prophecy that was a big part of the Bush regime.


Another flex was going after Tlaib in the US basically because she was a Palestinian, before she said or did anything other than things she said for years. It's not about even punishing someone for wrongthink, but purely identity politics in the most brazen way possible - they know she's not a threat and wouldn't go against the regime on anything substantial. It was purely a show of what Israel will do, and it should be chilling that a member of Congress would be censured for that reason and this only became a crime when Israel advertised its glorification of extermination and suddenly it's cool.


>The Zionist lobby going after Corbyn was a flex.
Sure but times are a changing, and increasing numbers of Jews are dissociating from Israel. They don't want to be linked to that horror. Once the Zionist lobby looses the favor of the Jewish constituency in western countries, western politicians can safely ignore them. Media power doesn't matter if nobody cares.


Dear god, what is with you idiots thinking narratives are the threat? They are indicators of what will happen with repeat noncompliance. First they will have trained screamers make you unable to hold any public appearance, disrupting anything you would try to do against them. If that doesn't dissuade, threats of hits and making your life miserable and mafia stuff. If you know anything about politics, this is inherent to the game.


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>Dear god, what is with you idiots thinking narratives are the threat?
No you are misinterpreting what this "narrative battle" is about. You are taking the position that the Zionist lobby is some kind of immovable object that can't be defeated. And as a matter of universal truth there can be no such thing.

>They are indicators of what will happen with repeat noncompliance.

The Zionist lobby is an arm of the Israeli state, they can't demand compliance, in other states.
>First they will have trained screamers make you unable to hold any public appearance
It's possible to learn how to deal with hecklers, and then hold public gatherings anyway.
>disrupting anything you would try to do against them.
This will make fantastic footage to paint them as unhinged agents of chaos.
>If that doesn't dissuade, threats of hits and making your life miserable and mafia stuff.
This can only work if the state allows it to happen, because all of that stuff is extremely illegal.
If they keep doing this, they will eventually fuck with people that can retaliate and then the state can't shield them because the state can't openly admit to side with thugs.

Also take a look at the larger political picture. In Israeli politics the current regime around Netanyahu is finished because their political capital was based on protection from happenings like Oct7. The most likely result is going to be that the next regime in Israel will be more extreme, with more unhinged Zionism. The general population in the west rejected the current Zionist narrative, because they tried to push for the insane line that "it's ok to bomb hospitals" or that "children are legitimate military targets". If they turn up the crazy even more, they'll get a visceral reaction of hostility from the broad population with civil societies organizations forming that will ban them and will force the police to frustrate their mafia tactics.

But there's more to this, the next-level insanity of Zionism will not only want to kill off all the Palestinians, they'll want to conquer new territory from Lebanon, Jordan and Syria, for a "Greater Israel". The US wants to reduce their engagement in the middle east, that's why they pulled out of Afghanistan, they don't want to make that front wider. That means the Zionist lobby will not just deviate a little but for the first time go against the imperial line and pull into the other direction. That means the Zionist lobby will loose the favor of the western ruling class.

I doubt that there is much remaining appetite for using the Ukraine-model on Israel to drain Iran or something, given how much of a cluster-fuck Ukraine has turned out to be. So the US is going to quarantine their Zionism-problem. They are going to arrange for the occupation of all the contested zones with a type of an international security force, primarily made up from Arab league forces mixed in with token forces from the west and countries from other parts of the world. Involving the Arabs will also make it easier to dissolve organized resistance. After that the US will gradually decouple from Israel in order to pursue relations with other countries in the middle east, who will welcome the US once they stop enabling the crazy neighbor. Ultimately for the US that's the easier path to have influence over middle eastern oil and assorted resources.

The recent abuses from the Zionist lobby like their attempts at violating the democratic assembly rights or the defamation of university students, that marks the zenith of their bullshit. From here on out their power to pull these stunts will decline. Not because anti-imperialist communist theory has gone mainstream, far from it, but rather because the people that matter no longer see them as an asset, but as a liability instead. A group of nutcases that will catch you a genocide-nickname if you get too close. Keep an eye on the news, they probably will try the defamation-trucks again, when these just get set on fire, that's going to be the externally visible sign they're out of the inner circle.


I'll believe it when I see it. I think it will take more than this current genocide or outright acts of war like the sinking of the uss liberty. Remember the actual bourgeois government isn't really in control per-se it's about getting down to detail and delivering to the broader bourgeoisie. If the current government isn't selling it, then for the benefit of economic collaboration with Israel, it will be fired and replaced like a board of directors replacing a CEO.


>I'll believe it when I see it. I think it will take more than this current genocide or outright acts of war like the sinking of the uss liberty
You mean that some of the hardliners might try to do a false flag, like shooting a missile at a US carrier group and then blame it on the Iranians ? Are those shenanigans still possible ? Hasn't battlefield intelligence basically advanced to the point where those tricks no longer work ?

>Remember the actual bourgeois government isn't really in control per-se it's about getting down to detail and delivering to the broader bourgeoisie.

Most of the big bourgeoisie in the US doesn't want this conflict.
They wanted Israel to normalize relations with the other Arab states. That was the direction it was going for like the past year. In the days immediately after Oct7 the Arab states were giving off cautious diplomatic signals, that they might side with Israel if they prevented the situation from escalating. When the Zionists succumbed to their bloodlust, they alienated the rest of the region, and that has screwed up the plans of the big bourgeoisie. There is a small but extremely motivated section of the big bourg that still pushes the Zionist project really hard, but the rest of the big bourg doesn't want to go there, because it risks the US getting frozen out of Middle East politics.


You don't defeat something as stacked and connected as the Israel lobby by saying they're mean poopy-heads. They're not that stupid, nor are they an isolated entity pushing against the world.

I actually believe Zionism is about to croak, but it won't be due to any sudden "battle of ideas". Israel has been doing pretty badly in its recent wars, and the IDF is only good for showing MKULTRA videos of female soldiers for thirsty weebs. The Pals will not stand and die like cattle, the way the script calls for. Israel has maxed out on what they can get with that, and those who survive believe they have nothing to lose. Give them a gun or some weapon and they'll know where to point it, how to make an IDF invasion a slog. The IDF aren't an actual fucking army. Their game plan is always to get the US military to do all the work for them and keep feeding them goodies.

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