/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>490905
>Response to any questions is just calling people "TERF"'s and crybullying like Zionists.
Critical support to cvꑭᛏoidϟ in their struggle against ᛏrooꑭoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Largely ignore the rampant misogyny in the movement.
Critical support to ᛏrooꑭoidϟ in their struggle against cvꑭᛏoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Can't even define what a woman or man is.
Bullshit made up to divide the proletaryat into another batch of competing uyghur nations (identities) to fuck them both in different ways while they fight each other.
>Largely moves to actually reinforce gender norms in almost a parody way.
Oh shit, just like cvntnazism does! Holy fuck, how?!
>Muh trans genocide despite it's been debunked
Just like muh cvnt oppression, precisely

>the left
libs. It's all libs you fucking lib, now gtfo and kys

Tl;Dr because in the end every single one of you faggots are fucking larping libshits. every. single. one. And just like any lib you fuse yourselves with some fucking identity and start flipping shit for its greatness in the free marketplace of ideas carefully tailored for your retardation by the bourgeoisie, for it knows that you libtards cannot live without your die rasse you fucking unterbourg faggots. Kill each other already ffs.
There would be no euroshits nor assians in communism, no cumskins nor uyghurs, no men and no women but fucking minds you fucking pretentious debasing genitalia scientist nazi scumfuck bitchass cuck uyghur fag. kys

>>490907
>-er, more
Libtard whoreout, kys immediately you fucking ϟuccdam

>>490922
>so much of transgenderism is just outright assaults on women and female identity
Great! Let them princessess have their own uyghur crisis of femininity!
>Contras-point
A fucking uyghurfaggot whose bills are paid by the mutterficking british parliament, just like with every other bluttuber

>>490936
<reee if you werent being so untermeschen but a part of my eternally oppressed aryan nazidentity then you would know!1
And some say troons arent womyt lul

>>491055
>the real question is: why does this manipulative shit have so much power in trans circles and in idpol contexts in general?
Alienation and the subsequent need to stuff up one's existence with meaning by belonging to something. You fucking uyghur ape chimp monkeys are organically incapable of existing on your own and neither can you feel yourselves as a part of some mythical poolentilenat which is destined to overthrow the world of alienation itself for inexistence of such a class and its consciousness. So you have to die for the cause of never losing the ground below your feet or you go fucking insane and still die for the same cause by physical disintegration in a shootout with the local orpo or by mental breakdown of your consciousness if you would try to tough it out on your own. Thats why there is more and more offensive identitarian degeneracy lashing out all around the world as social fordism that was instated to keep the production going is crumbling everywhere which results in a systemic lack of means to exist in consumption, and therefore something has to give.

>>491061
>Gender ideology is the one that "enforces the binary" you dumbass.
Holy fuck, at last someone truly sees! I would also add the fact that ᛏrooꑭϟ don't hate cvꑭᛏϟ as much as they absolutely despise fags for their purported chasing which is bringing ᛏrooꑭoidϟ back to the level of subhuman scrotes. Wuz really fun to read it when they accidentaly slip off on this attitude when lashing at chasers kek.
>Troons are infamous for going into twink, femboy and lesbian tomboy communities and trying to do functionally gay conversion therapy because they are really just "eggs" who are a different gender and need to take HRT to experience gender euphoria.
One can see this shit being done to that femboy graph >>490935 which ᛏrooꑭϟ butchered to such a degree the actual author of it had to officialy state that its about femboy play and not about fucking troonsitioning and their fucking aryanity rank pronounciations which they slapped onto it to serve their "inexistent" agenda

>>491224
>stop morally obsessing over young peoples preferences
Where the fuck do these "just preferences" come from, who finances this shit and in whose class interests would it be you fucking libshit? Das right bitch that would be your buddies from the bourgeoisie. Very libtard of you to support the status quo instead of understanding what produces it and for what purpose


>>491057
>accept WebP
This gotta be a joke.

>>490905
I am convinced it is because of cointerpol. They resemble porkies in all but name.

https://cpusa.org/party_info/cpusa-party-program/
CPUSA Party Program – Communist Party USA

The fight for dominance by the most reactionary section of the capitalist class has intensified. The only way to defeat this extreme right domination lies in building the broadest, most inclusive unity among our multiracial, multinational, multigender, multigenerational working class, along with the major progressive forces that are its allies. This starts with the labor movement unifying its diverse working class base and building alliances with the whole of the racially and nationally oppressed people, women, and youth. We must unite lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and straight people; professionals and intellectuals; seniors; the disabled; and the mass people’s movements. These include the peace, environmental, health care, education, housing, civil rights and civil liberties, and other movements. In limited instances, splits in the ruling class appear and the less reactionary segments of the capitalist class will join the fight against the more backward sections. This all-people’s front to defeat the extreme right is in the process of developing, learning, and being tested in giant struggles: for peace, to address environmental crises, to protect social programs and services, to win health care for all, and to wrest control of all three branches of government from the stranglehold of the extreme right.


Furthermore:
https://www.cpusa.org/article/pride-is-for-everyone/
PRIDE is for everyone! – Communist Party USA
https://www.cpusa.org/article/lets-fight-for-transgender-equality/
Let’s fight for transgender equality! – Communist Party USA
https://www.cpusa.org/article/stop-magas-anti-trans-terror-campaign/
Stop MAGA’s anti-trans terror campaign! – Communist Party USA

>>492740
Great example of cointelpro right here.

>>492740
>>492741
they aren't even trying anymore, just too easy

>>492740
Shit sucks Magdalen Berns died (founder of the CPGB-ML), she had no problem absolutely demolishing all this troon idpol bullshit and cointelpro shit.

Transgender activism and it's social contagion, has basically imploded in the past year and it was when trans activists started championing self-ID that they really crossed the line. Suddenly, they were denying that one should even need dysphoria or medical transition at all and anyone who believes otherwise is "truscum", that all that matters is if someone claims to identify as female that makes it so and therefore they should be treated exactly the same as all other women in all respects, even if it’s a big burly man named Steve who has been in Prison 6 times for public sexual assault.
In order to make this argument, they had to start denying the existence of biological sex at all and treating the whole thing as arbitrary and “assigned” and socially constructed and on a spectrum. As if there are no meaningful biological differences between people yet “gender” itself is some essential and immutable aspect of each person’s identity. Of course, this is completely backwards from the reality. The only justifiable reason to even distinguish and segregate between people at all in areas like sports and medicine is biology, not whether someone likes wearing skirts and long hair or not.
This is what broke the brains of people like JK Rowling. The idea of replacing something real, objective, and measurable with a subjective, unfalsifiable, and often regressive concept like “gender identity” seemed like going backwards, yet it was being championed by “progressives.”
Before, many of us were under the impression that we were talking only about an extremely small and sympathetic slice of the population with some unfortunate developmental condition for whom transition was merely the least bad treatment option. We thought they were well aware that they were not and could not actually become the opposite sex, but just wanted to be treated as such for most intents and purposes as a sort of legal fiction and social nicety. We thought the last thing most would want was to actually identify as or be recognized as transgender, but rather to blend in as much as possible with the sex they identified with, including a commitment to going to significant medical lengths that were by no means considered optional or undesirable.
The moment that all went out the window in favor of self-ID and a backwards postmodern conception of sex/gender is the moment they started losing ground and backfiring on their own cause. Really predictable in hindsight.

>>492867
>Transgender activism and it's social contagion, has basically imploded in the past year and it was when trans activists started championing self-ID
That literally started decades ago.

It's just really bizarre the way you talk, it's like a kind of selective lack of object permanence where nothing in this dumb trans discourse that you're obsessed with exists until you personally notice it, and then that's the start of history.

Almost every aspect and facet of this stuff, except for the neopronouns bullshit which is basically a schizoid consumerist Tumblr invention, has been discussed for something like 30 years. The argument back and forth between focus on medical care and freeform gender expression is probably older than you are, the latter line of argument didn't just start in the past year when you noticed it.

That's one of the things that's the most nauseating about all this bullshit - while trans idpol bullshit artists are debating the same fucking shit they've been debating for my entire life, pathologically obsessed transhumanist panic idpolers who talk about it all the time somehow can't even be bothered to realize how fucking boring and old it all is. You're constantly getting horrified by shit that's been around for decades, in some cases stuff that's been around for 50 years or more, because even though you're obsessed with this stuff, your only source is outrage porn which gives you this stuff in sensationalist, limited doses.

>>492870
>You're constantly getting horrified by shit that's been around for decades
Don't play dumb dude. There has never, ever been anything like the institutional capture by TRA's that occured in the 2015-2023 period.
https://americandreaming.substack.com/p/memory-hole-archive-sex-and-transgender
It was the idpol left and neolibs at their most fucking ideologically insane, trying to basically force a transhumanist movement on the rest of us.
Are you seriously going to pretend the 1990s and 2000s or even 70s were anything like the present with the Trans shit? Not even close. I'm actually older than you lot, I remember that literally even wearing a fitted shirt as a guy in the early 2000s would get you called a "Metrosexual faggot" by the majority of people and the media.

Transgender shit distracts us from the movement. Big pharma won. The bourgeoisie literally beat us because of transhumanists. Fucking fifth columns. They despise the Soviets and have nothing to look forward to.

>>492867
you're the horseshoe theory meme of stalinism-MAGA

hopefully ironic. Trans people are like 1% of the population and it's cis people that have turned them into this constant political talking point

>>492889
Troons and their handmaidens that overtook institutions and tried to ramroad their shit everywhere. They did this. Troon shit was not just a fringe minority, it was the mainstream across the entire liberal academia, media and legal sphere.
>From the mid 2010s through the early 2020s, Americans were told over and over that biological sex was more than just male and female. A 2016 essay in Slate by trans activist Chase Strangio asked “What Is a ‘Male Body’?” His answer amounted to whatever one wants it to be. In 2018, a New York Times piece declared “Sex Is Not Binary.” A 2019 video from Teen Vogue featured a group of activists “debunking” the idea of biological sex along with the claim that “The body is either male or female.” Forbes took it further in 2020, proclaiming “The Myth of Biological Sex.” The once-respected magazine Scientific American leaned particularly hard into activist ideology, churning out articles such as “Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic”, “Visualizing Sex as a Spectrum”, and “Here’s Why Human Sex Is Not Binary.”
>The erasure of sex didn’t stop there. In 2021, top medical schools in the University of California system and elsewhere began teaching that biological sex was a social construct no different from gender. Professors, fearful of being reported or losing their positions, scrambled to apologize for using transphobic language such as “male” and “female.” As one endocrinology lecturer anxiously stammered to his class: “I said ‘when a woman is pregnant,’ which implies that only women can get pregnant and I most sincerely apologize to all of you. […] I don’t want you to think that I am in any way trying to imply anything, and if you can summon some generosity to forgive me, I would really appreciate it. […] Again, I’m very sorry for that. It was certainly not my intention to offend anyone. The worst thing that I can do as a human being is be offensive.”
>In the language guides of medical bodies or journals such the American Psychological Association, scholars were told that terms like “birth sex” and “natal sex” were “disparaging” and “should be avoided.” Ditto Sage Journals, who went further to include “opposite sex”, which could give the problematic impression that there are only two sexes. The Council of Scientific Editors also advised steering clear of using “females” and “males” as nouns. And The Lancet outright cautioned authors against the term “biological sex”, which had joined the long list of things cultural leftists dubbed right-wing “dog whistles.” As a writer and editor who has worked in LGBT media since 2021, I was warned on multiple occasions between 2021 and 2023 to avoid using “biological sex” because it would alienate trans activists and potentially spark firestorms.
>Across the mainstream media and major institutions in the early 2020s, the words “woman” and “women” began curiously vanishing from articles about health, reproductive rights, and what were previously called “women’s issues.” In their place was a cavalcade of dehumanizing, politically insane, and utterly mystifying woke newspeak. “Women” were now “vulva owners”, “menstruators”, “uterus-havers”, “vagina owners”, “bodies with vaginas”, “egg producers”, “individuals with a cervix”, and “bleeders.” Meanwhile, “mothers” became “pregnant people”, “birthing people”4, “birthing persons”, “birthing parents”, “breastfeeding people”, and “chest-feeders.” Some organizations even found “vagina” to be too unenlightened, and took to calling the female genitalia a “bonus hole” or “front hole.” How charming.
This is only the tip of the iceberg. It wasn't MAGA that made people detest Trans Rights Activism, they did it to themselves by marching through the institutions then enforcing their schizo beliefs onto people tearing away the rights of other groups especially LGB and Women, eventually leading to them trying to mass groom children.

>>492893
>The once-respected magazine Scientific American leaned particularly hard into activist ideology, churning out articles such as “Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic”, “Visualizing Sex as a Spectrum”, and “Here’s Why Human Sex Is Not Binary.”
Biologist here, I'm gonna have to see some of these to make my own judgment. I lost my respect for Scientific American during COVID, but I don't recall them making egregiously unscientific articles about sex before that.

>>492897
>>492893
Okay, had a look and it seems like all this idiotic bullshit was published after COVID. Guess whatever broke them during COVID made them decide to completely throw their standards out the window and prioritize mass-media liberal partisan drivel over science.

>>492898
Either they comply or they lose their jobs. I don't blame them. Porkytranshumanists are scum.

>>492887
>Not even close. I'm actually older than you lot, I remember that literally even wearing a fitted shirt as a guy in the early 2000s would get you called a "Metrosexual faggot" by the majority of people and the media.
I remember that too, faggot.

>Are you seriously going to pretend the 1990s and 2000s or even 70s were anything like the present with the Trans shit?
Post-op transsexuals could legally marry members of their birth sex in the late 1970s. They literally had marriage before gays did.

Every single thing you've been programmed to freak out about already existed by the mid 1990s. What you're describing isn't "trans capture," it's a cynical culture war media circus. The desired outcome isn't trans rights (legality of trans medical access was broader in the '00s than it is today), it's to keep workers fighting over irrelevant identity bullshit for another 10-20 years until the next thing comes or the public is already so thoroughly enslaved that these media circuses and moral panics become unnecessary. The actual outcome of these micro-issues is irrelevant to the powers that be.

>>492897
>Biologist here
We've been over this before; no you aren't.

>>492901
It is literally trans capture
https://americandreaming.substack.com/p/memory-hole-archive-sex-and-transgender
It wasn't TERFs and media doing all of this, it was Troons and their handmaidens.
You're doing the exact same thing as Liberals do when they say "Woke never existed, it's just a right wing dogwhistle", which is just blatantly not true. Because rightoids can be scattered in their criticism of something, doesn't mean their criticisim of that thing is 100% fake.
>Post-op transsexuals could legally marry members of their birth sex in the late 1970s. They literally had marriage before gays did.
And Women who interacted with them still had issues with Troons back then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transsexual_Empire\
I mean one of the most influential feminist texts of the 1970s.
Troons they just didn't have the mass institutional and academic backing they had in the 2010s and 2020s where they tried to basically systematically erase biological sex from reality and mass start invading every womans space they could while mass grooming kids.

>>492902
You seem awfully disturbed at the idea of an actual expert weighing in on this subject.

>>492924
You're not an "expert." You alternately identify yourself as "a biologist," "someone studying biology," "an aspiring biologist," and "someone interested in biology." You have no credentials, you don't do this for a living, I doubt that you even formally study it, you aren't any more of an "expert" than anyone else who periodically reads about it. Literal biology stolen valor.

>>492925
That hurts, anon.

>>492893
Anon, you're delusional. It isn't troons whom are promoting "trans culture" it's cis people.
Also, trans education is denied to children in the US

>>494358
>trans education is denied to children in the US
How can this be true when Americans are bombarded with trans shit via media nonstop?

>>490905
Supporting trans is like how socialists support reactionary insurgents like the taliban, for the sake of anti-imperialism, for the sake of anti-capitalism. It's strategic, you don't need to agree with what you're supporting.

>>494365
How is the Taliban reactionary?

>>494365
If the working class hates trans people, then associating with them will make the working class want nothing to do with leftists. So strategically the rational thing is to ignore them altogether if we want to win over the workers to the left.

I personally know some cool trans people so I'm all for them living a good life. I just don't think there's a need to spotlight the issues of a very small group of people, we need to focus on what everyone can relate to.

>>494361
Where? Outside of a few reality TV shows?

Ignoring most of the arguments here and addressing OP. The theory is not all that contradictory, but it seems that way when you view trans people as a monolith.

There are a few different types of "trans" people. There are people who have dysphoria and transition to alleviate it, feeling it better matches who they are. That is legible to me.

And then there are the people in your example image, which are very much not the same people. Make no mistake, these people are not mentally ill. They are gooner degenerates whose entire persona revolves around their "girldicks" and "girlcocks" and calling lesbians transphobic for not wanting to suck their dick.

Unfortunately, the latter is winning the public perception.

>>494381
Do you even use the internet? You don't see trap threads on 4chan, trans content creators on tiktok and youtube, not to mention the obvious gooner content?

It's for sure become normalized in the last two decades. Before that everyone had a visceral transphobic reaction to that kinda stuff, outside of cartoons on boards like /d/.

I personally believe the ruling class had more than a little bit to do with normalizing trans people, either to further divide people, shock them, or just because they like transhumanism. But then I look at asian countries that also have trans people and at least in China they don't seem to make a big deal out if it, I think part of it was organic too.

Because they piggyback off of the beloved gay male community

>>494392
>Before that everyone had a visceral transphobic reaction to that kinda stuff, outside of cartoons on boards like /d/.
This isn't really true at all.

Transphobia as a phenomenon is a newer invention. It used to just be gay panic - "oh, this looks like a pretty lady, WAIT A MINUTE OH NO A PENIS!!!" - like, there was no special category for trans hate back in the day, that's a more recent invention, people mostly were totally indifferent. All extreme reactions to this one way or another have largely been products of the prolonged media circus which has been ongoing for less than 20 years.

>>494396
No I think that the term transphobia was just a name given to a social phenomena that had existed long before we actually gave a name to it.

>>494416
No.
Unironically, the "social phenomenon" before "transphobia" was just homophobia/gay panic. The special categorization of it as something separate has been almost entirely a post 2010s phenomenon.

>>494417
NTA but you're being obtuse.
Transphobia has always existed but it wasn't named so.
Trans were culturally lumped with gays/lesbians

>>494392
>>494382
>Sissy porn
>Traps

Those are not trans.

>>494421
>Transphobia has always existed but it wasn't named so.
>Trans were culturally lumped with gays/lesbians
Yeah because it was literally just homophobia.

The pretense that there is a special broad category for hating trans people specifically only really emerged after it became broadly socially unacceptable to be openly homophobic, and after the western MSM decided to cash in on a manufactured culture war over "trans representation" since gay marriage was already legal in the US. "Transphobia" as we know it today was basically created by marketers.

>>494416

No, it was invented by Epstein as part of his culture war psyop.

It's due to the decline of the church and state in shaping white people's identities.
White millennials, rightfully turned their backs on religion, nationalism and mass media but still needed institutions to shape their identity.
So they choose alternative sexuality to forge identities for themselves, this is why there's so many flavors of sexuality despite there only being 2 sexes.
So when you attack trans or other LGBT people you're not simply attacking a person, but the identity of millions of people.

>>494452
If that's true why is every church in blue cities plastered with trans flags

>>495151
Virtue signaling, perhaps?
Do you really believe DEI benefits minorities?

>>495151
Because white people mostly go to those churches. You ain't going to see trans flags at black churches.

>>490905
I used to think like that but the troon subject is more complicated than "manladies with beards" that conservatives stereotype it as. There are certainly some fringe elements like the tucute movement and the intersectional feminists but some trans girls pass so goddamn well and some men have the standards of manliness so strict that it really makes me wonder what it even means to be a woman or a man.

Also, that image really gives me the "fugly transwoman hangs herself" vibes. Conservative memes are always so gross and unpleasant to look at, they really reduce my will to live. I do wonder if they secretly jerk off to this.

transhumanistism is bourgeois morality o algo

Society's reluctance to critique gender ideology comes down to a collective spookening.

Instead of asking how divisions were constructed to distract from material reality, people just pick a side. Stirner would call this the tyranny of fixed ideas we've treated abstractions like identity categories and ideology itself as gospel truth, when really were just losing sight of our own interests and the power structures that actually benefit from keeping us fragmented and infighting.

>>495208
>people just pick a side
It's funny that they only pick a side on wedge issues promoted by the establishment and never anything serious

>>495208
The OP is not critiquing the concept of gender itself though, they're critiquing transgenderism specifically while supporting cisgenderism.

>>495208
You're missing the meta, and are, dare I say, "spooked".
It's not really gender that's being internalized, it's identity, which is unfalsifiable.
Modern gender discourse ironically is more in line with Egotism than critiques of it are.
Identifying as a woman "pleases their ego" therefore it is true.
You can't make them believe otherwise, which is where you get all this goofy ideological mud wrestling.
It's when millennials and Gen Z try to make their beliefs sound empirically proven is when they get into trouble.
If they were smart they'd just tell CHUDs and MAGA transgenderism is real because we say so but they won't because they're spooked by science.

>>495227
>Identifying as a woman "pleases their ego" therefore it is true.
Isn't the entire point of Stirner's psychological egoism that spooks are expressions of our egoistic desires that are confused for something greater? Also, capital T truth is a spook so the phrase "therefore it is true" kinda collapses this entire analogy. Yes, even relative "truth" is also a spook since it's merely an attempt to evade adressing the problem. Sorta like "There's no INHERENT meaning in life but you can create one! Hurray, meaning of life saved!"

>>495237
>Isn't the entire point of Stirner's psychological egoism that spooks are expressions of our egoistic desires that are confused for something greater?
No, it's the opposite. His point is that we're denying our egoistical desires for something "greater" or in service of an ideal that is actively harming us in some way.
One example he gives is a peasant watching a police man arrest a burglar. An unspooked person would be happy because a burglar could potentially break into their own home so this action is "pleasing their ego" or serving them in a real constructive way.
A spooked person would be happy because "law and order" are being upheld. Which is spooked because often the state acts against the interests of a peasant, so this reaction is "spooked".
Both are reacting in the same way but by two completely different ideologies.