/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>490905
Read Shulamith Firestone you dumb Catholic reactionary.

https://youtu.be/qvNj0Os2rD0

Many of us who find ourselves in alignment with left politics come to it because we find it naturally agrees with our desire for a fairer society, more justice, more compassion, etc. When we find ourselves dealing with mentally ill people, it can be difficult to confront them without feeling like you're going to embarrass or humiliate them. So a lot of us just keep our heads down and pretend there's nothing wrong when one of these people weasels into a position of prominence in an org and proceeds to wreck things.

Obsessing over this one way or another is retarded and a waste of time. Your "argument" is exactly as hysterical and incoherent as the arguments you seek to attack, because it's based around equally incoherent, hyperbolic emotional arguments like comparing the current psychological consensus on HRT to wanting to fuck children. Calm down, woman, you're hysterical!

The transformation of dysphoria, a rare mental illness for which the current consensus largely recommends HRT, into a political football which everyone "needs" to weigh in on and obsess over will never not be stupid idpol bullshit diverting attention away from class.

For those who are bothered by what they perceive as a "pro-trans" environment, they end up coming across like judgmental assholes. Those who take a position in line with the current medical consensus develop a sense of undeserved sense of personal virtue. The reality is it's all bullshit and it's been pushed into the "political" sphere to get people whose class interests align to go at eachothers' throats about shit which doesn't matter and doesn't affect them much. When I was a kid some people got surgeries, some people changed their gender identity, everyone knew and almost nobody gave a fuck. The idea that it's some new civil rights frontier (or new degeneracy) is a lie manufactured by the MSM to sell culture war. There is no good side in this, the only winning move is not to play.

>>490909
>The transformation of dysphoria, a rare mental illness for which the current consensus largely recommends HRT
There's no actual consensus on this and in fact many studies show that suicide risk actually increases with HRT.

>>490910
>There's no actual consensus on this and in fact many studies show that suicide risk actually increases with HRT.
No, there are some studies showing that and many studies showing the opposite. Saying there's a consensus is not the same thing as saying "absolutely everybody agrees." There's a consensus on the Greenhouse Effect, but that doesn't mean nobody disagrees or that there's no debate. That's not what consensus means. The current medical consensus could easily change at some point in the future, maybe more research will be done and HRT will be abandoned as treatment, it's happened many times before, but it hasn't happened yet in this particular case.

>>490912
>Saying there's a consensus is not the same thing as saying "absolutely everybody agrees."
The word "consensus" means a general agreement. If that's not in fact what you mean to say, you should probably find another word.

By the way this whole deference to consensus is fallacious and rabidly anti-scientific anyway. As an aspiring scientist myself I'm ashamed to admit I used to buy into it, but my opinion on it has reversed completely after some extended study on the history of science. Appeals to consensus are no better than deferring to the authority of the ancients or the authority of the Church on the question of heliocentrism. This kind of deference to authority is exactly what the scientific revolution was clawing its way out of in the 16th and 17th centuries. A rational scientific attitude is to defer to the weight of evidence and repeatable experiments, not some poorly defined group of experts. People coming from the left ought to be extra skeptical of these kinds of fallacies, because we ought to know that expertise and investigative institutions are an extension of class rule under capitalism.

Here's a great quote from Galileo defending the Copernican system that relates to this topic:
>If this question we are arguing about was some point of law or of one of the other disciplines in the humanities, where there is neither truth nor falsehood, then one could justifiably rely on intellectual subtlety, on verbal fluency, and on breadth and depth of reading, and hope that whoever had the advantage in these respects would succeed in making his argument seem, and be accepted as, the stronger; but in the natural sciences, the conclusions of which are true and necessary, and in which the opinions of human beings are irrelevant, you have to be careful not to give your support to error, because a thousand Demosthenes and a thousand Aristotles will find themselves defeated by a mediocre intellect who has the good fortune to attach himself to the truth. Therefore, Signore Simplicio, give up on that idea and that hope that you have, that there can be men so much better educated, so much more sophisticated, and with so much more book-learning than the rest of us that they can, in defiance of nature, turn falsehood into truth.

>>490914
>The word "consensus" means a general agreement.
A general agreement is not the same thing as a total agreement. It's crazy that you had to consult the dictionary and you still misunderstood it. If I say I generally eat lunch at noon, the implication there is that I usually, but don't always eat lunch at noon. A general agreement is an agreement among most,
not all.

>By the way this whole deference to consensus is fallacious and rabidly anti-scientific anyway.
uygha I'm not a fucking doctor.

>Appeals to consensus
It's not an appeal to consensus, I told you what the consensus currently is. That's it. I'm not arguing that the consensus is right or wrong, I frankly don't care. There are plenty of historical cases where the scientific consensus was eventually proven wrong. However, I am not a doctor, and I am not an expert in this condition which affects something like 0.1% of the population, so I do not make a point to obsess over it. I think that the inclination to obsess over it and constantly relitigate hysterically as a moral issue outside the field of medicine is a form of political poison which has been purposefully designed to waste workers' time and arbitrarily divide people. It's a mental trap. It's dumb.

>>490915
>It's crazy that you had to consult the dictionary and you still misunderstood it.
Well if we're consulting dictionaries now I could also point to how "unanimity" is listed as a synonym of consensus in dictionaries. It's a slippery word to use in this context.

>>490909
>because it's based around equally incoherent, hyperbolic emotional arguments like comparing the current psychological consensus on HRT to wanting to fuck children.
Egging and grooming kids is a HUGE part of Trans culture. Entire reddit communities, X communities and fbi.govs around it. Targeting vulnerable teens and children, is something they are massively open and proud about, Pedo NAMBLA shit is something troon communities are largely completely fucking open about and isn't policied in that community at all.
>The transformation of dysphoria, a rare mental illness for which the current consensus largely recommends HRT, into a political football which everyone "needs" to weigh in on and obsess over will never not be stupid idpol bullshit diverting attention away from class.
Modern Transgenderism and Gender Theory completely largely dismisses gender dysphoria is even really a medical condition anymore, those who believe that transgenderism should be linked to Gender dysphoria, are referred to as Truscum and are persona non grata number 2 in the community after "TERFs". That said, the treatment for Gender dysphoria makes really no sense when you think about it, and leaks from WPATH, as well as UK NHS Gender clinics, as well the Cass Report and several Governmental reports across European public health services, show that the science behind modern Gender therapy is largely not actually supported by science whatsoever, has largely been cherry picked by activist therapists who have suppressed pretty much all research that went againt against the TRA narrative.
Do we reinforce body dysphoria anywhere else? Do we turn those with BID into amputees? Do we tell lardasses to stuff themselves of food, or give Ozampic to those with Anorexia? Free tit jobs to women who think their breasts are too small or bimbofication operations to women brain fried by gooning?
Why is gender dysphoria the only form of dysphoria we reinforce the illness, instead of actually treating it? Because lets be real, they tied themselves to the LGB movement and turned their illness into an deeply narcissistic idpol movement.
>The idea that it's some new civil rights frontier (or new degeneracy) is a lie manufactured by the MSM to sell culture war. There is no good side in this, the only winning move is not to play.
Issue is transgenderism as a social contagion shot up thousands of percent, in some liberal areas, the majority of zoomers identify as trans or non-binary and want HRT. That is fucking absurd dude.
Another again, there are tonnes of social and frankly material issues that come with a lot of this. Sports is one of them, along with safety in women's spaces, along with forcing this shit on fucking children which is diabolical. Another is that so much of transgenderism is just outright assaults on women and female identity. Even Hontrapoints can't help but be a completely misogynistic cunt when topics of motherhood or women's biological issues come up.
On top of this. it is completely incoherent, but is treated as gospel on the left. Nothing about Transgenderism make any fucking sense, contradicts itself from one position to the next, slippery slopes to fucking weird shit (egging, gay conversion, xenogenders, gender fluidity shifting all over the place in a day which I've seen them do IRL numerous times to shit test people) and it is frankly, a bizarre cult style movement filled with idiot autists and predatory cluster Bs and they love to hijack everything, the LGB movement to the Left, and make everyone revolve around reinforcing their identity, because AGP is a manifestation of delusional often abusive narcissism.
>>490907
>it can be difficult to confront them without feeling like you're going to embarrass or humiliate them.
Which the left should be totally fine with doing frankly. The left is not a fucking self-help group but it seems like so much of the Left treats it as such. Seen Cluster B's absolutely tear through orgs before IRL and those willing to confront them were called ableist and reactionaies.
Nothing about Marxism is actually about "compassion", Marx himself was basically a total asshole dudebro personally and Marx and Engles dunked on everyone around them in the IWA for being dumbass, schizo losers ruthlessly. Both Marx and Engels argued against and mocked equality as a concept. Marxism is a scientific and philosophical tooset, for materialist analysis. TRA shit is anti-materialist, metaphysical, gnostic gobbdleygook pushed by narcissitic crazies. Even Norm Finklestein has ripped it to fucking shreds as metaphysical schizo shit after giving it a fair shake to present it's arguments. It's also largely supported entirely by the Idpol Liberal elite and Big Pharma. It has no real place on the left.

>>490922
CONTAIN YOURSELF, WOMAN!

>>490923
Again, please actually answer the positions. I know you trans rights people literally have never actually engaged any scrutiny to your own incoherent, gobddleygook metaphysical belief system and become deeply offended when anybody points out that nothing you people say makes any sense and is entirely contradictory and doesn't hold up to a basic sniff test when applied to any other context (why isn't Pro-Ana celebrated despite being the same dysphoria? Why not transracialism?), but some of us do actually like to adhere to a dialectical materialist process.

>>490905
Just because your worldview and that of small minded reactionaries can't understand the concept of sex and gender being related but separate phenomena doesn't mean the more educated and empathetic among us have the obligation to try to make you see how fucking ridiculous, uneducated, and poor and constructing an argument you are.

Shut the fuck up and focus on your own life before you try to dictate how others should express themselves.

>>490936
kek, every time.
Refuse to actually answer any questions or positions. Claim you are just "expressing yourself" while forcing Governments to give you special rights, forcing your bullshit on kids, making everyone play along with AGP, putting men in vulnerable women's places.
So troony, if I wear black face, start talking "MESA GOOD BOY, YES BOSS ME GOOD BOSS DONTA WORRY ABOUT MEE" am I black and everyone should respect me? It's just my self expression and of course, race is just a social concept.

>>490936
>too smart to debase yourself to defend your own position
I suspect that you're not that educated and you probably don't have as much confidence in your knowledge as you want others to believe. If that were truly so, you would have no trouble defending your position when the opportunity arises. I certainly have no problem defending my position on leftist politics whenever the opportunity arises.

>>490937
black people don't act like that

>>490935
What's a 35Masc Perpetrator?

>>490910
>There's no actual consensus on this and in fact many studies show that suicide risk actually increases with HRT.
sourcE?

>>490942
Good question, having trouble finding one. Seems like a like of studies show suicide risk is, in fact, reduced.

>>490939
45 year old women don't also walk around in diapers and gothic lolita outfits sucking lollipops while going "uwu i'm a silly catgirl" in public. Doesn't stop troonies doing this all the time and it seemingly being the main troon persona on places like Reddit, Tumblr and /tttt/

No one cares you umbrella ass fucing retard bigot. It's that you don't listen to anything anyone says because you are just a prick. You don't actually care about wat is ad is not right

>>490960
>No one cares
Wish fulfillment.

>>490960
"What is and is what is not right"
Except this somehow always aligns to every deranged slippery sloping narcissitic demand of Troons, while throwing women and children under the bus.
Why is reinforcing deranged schizo mental illness "right"? Why is it right to force kids onto puberty blockers which have long term serious health consequences? Why does we even entertain a child has fully formed sense of sexuality and self-identity? Again, literally the exact same argument as NAMBLA, which is why huge troon communities are completely fine around grooming and sexual acts with children and Pedo shit is absolutely rife through even the mainstream online communities.
Go into Troon communities, or even .orge and look at the rampant misogyny against women when "Terf" stuff pops up, like absolutely vicious stuff that even 4chan doesn't really engage in. This shows that Terfs are 100% right, in that Trans people tend to be far more misogynistic than the average man. There is video from London Trans march where again, Trans people, Trans speakers, just engage in vile misogyny and other deranged insanity. Troonies love to ignore this stuff, but this is your side saying this shit at your biggest events. So own up and accept it.
Why should normal people be forced to partake in AGP fetishes? Is this fair for regular peeps? Should we allow the rest of fetlife to start doing their degredation bullshit in public?
On top of this, Marxism is not about what is "right" and what is "wrong" morally, it's about Materialism. You know as well as the rest of us that Marx himself would absolutely rip into troons like nobody else, he had no problem absolutely being ruthless against weirdo quacks into the IWA. Modern Gender ideology, has no basis in materialism and isn't coherent at all. When Norm Finklestein rips this fucking ideology to shreds in a week as a side project to studying the current Gaza genocide, you know how incredibly unserious it is.

Transgenderism is not uncriticised in leftism, especially in regards to children.

Also irony is, I find it funny that people are against children with gender transition therapy but are ok with shooting them up with psych meds or doing circumcision. And the fact that kids are diagnosed with developmental disorders and yes, personality disorders

>>490914
>>490937
>>490922
>>490970



>Issue is transgenderism as a social contagion shot up thousands of percent, in some liberal areas, the majority of zoomers identify as trans or non-binary and want HRT. That is fucking absurd dude.
Another again, there are tonnes of social and frankly material issues that come with a lot of this. Sports is one of them, along with safety in women's spaces, along with forcing this shit on fucking children which is diabolical.


Can you explain where this is happening?

Most zoomers aren't trans even in super liberal area.
And children are actively discouraged from doing gdenr transition.

transhumanists are not grooming kids. It's more the right who grooms kids into reactionary Bible thumpers.

Also, there's no misogynistic sentiment in transgenderism
What is encouraged however is cismisandry.

Cishet malehood is made the scapegoat
Cishetfrmales are worshipped as automatic angels.

>>490954
That's where you're wrong.
Disney Adult culture is making that a reality.

i blame trans women for the most part
some of them are cool and/or hot and some are just boring whatever but most of them are fucking batshit insane and try to ruin literally everything, either that or the crazies are just so loud and aggressive that it makes it look like a majority
by contrast pretty much every trans man ive ever met was 100% a bro and chill as fuck and based
lgbt uyghas explain this to me

>>490979 (me)
some personal anecdotes to prove that this isnt just some twitter/reddit shit

>get my blue collar working class homie to play a game called webfishing
>we meet a bunch of transmen and nonbinary uyghas
>get invited to their fbi.gov server
>2 hours later
>homie says he loves mudsluts on a random webfishing server
>homie gets instabanned for misogyny
>homie in fbi.gov: "gentlethems, is it okay to love mudsluts?"
>trans bro: "trans agenda is actually to make mudsluts gayer"
>he start posting mudding gifs

<make dating profile on duolicious 😔
<meet a trans woman, have interesting conversations
<we move to fbi.gov
<2 hours later
<bring up my interest in politics
<get ghosted
<look at their steam profile
<in a bunch of fascist groups
<only plays tf2 and weebshit

>>490977
>Can you explain where this is happening?
Was happening in shitlib areas on the West coast, in general 27% of people between 13-24 identify as Transgender/NB, that's fucking INSANE for a disorder that exists in fractions of a single percent of the population.
>And children are actively discouraged from doing gdenr transition.
For good reason, it's fucking insane that any child is allowed to go through with it.
>transhumanists are not grooming kids. It's more the right who grooms kids into reactionary Bible thumpers.
Because right wing people do something, doesn't been troons aren't awash with pedophile predators. Troons have entire disco servers and subreddits like egging, dedicated to grooming children. Lolicon and ageplay and all sorts of pedo shit is completely mainstream and frankly the majority among troon communities. Troons literally hold that children have fully formed sexual self identity.
>Also, there's no misogynistic sentiment in transgenderism
Are you insane? Troons are insanely misogynistic. Go look at .orge whenever the topic of feminism comes up. Even Hontrapoints has an entire character mocking women talking about biological women's issues like periods and pregnancy.
This is what makes also .orge so fucking absurd, they fucking DESPISE women to the point you get single troons going on multi-post rants about how women are evil and shit, but you have to accept every slippery sloping troon argument there or you get banned immediately.
>>490994
Again, troons have literally no argument lmao.

>>490979
It's a movement that is rampant with narcissist/Borderline personalities.
I can sniff out BPD shit anywhere because I had a nightmare spate of dating 3 BPD girls in a row then had 2 BPD housemates right after, in Uni years, and how so many troons act, is 100% the exact tactics Borderlines/Narcissists use.
Always going into places and playing the victim with "uwu i'm a poor troon people bully me, trans rights are human rights but maybe I should just kill myself if nobody wuvs meeee boo hooooooooo", and then they use this bullshit to scheme their way up the oppression ladder, and entrench themselves, and start purging people from the group they personally don't like, or question any of their positions.
If you go against them, notice how quickly they split and go on a rabid, out of fucking control attack. On .org, numerous times had troons there just go into insane unhinged misogynistic aggressive breakdowns towards me when I even just asked them to clarify a position. (Also even more hilarious as I'm not a woman.)
Also another big thing you can tell Borderline is a massive issue with Troons, is because they constantly split, shift personality and mirror, classic BPD symptoms. In fact, mirroring is so rampant among Troons it's literally got a term called "skinwalking".
If you've spent time around Borderlines, then spent times around Troons, you will generally find theire is a near 1:1 overlap.

>>491019
You didn't make an argument you moronic faggot. Just repeating the same bullshit you hear on your algo generated by your cuck overlords at youtube isn't an argument. You are a faggot who has had this conversation with endless people who have explained to you specifically endless the nuances with what you are speaking on and you never shift or change your position.
You should be banned but the mods here are so forgiving that faggots like you are allowed to terrorize the board for years on end. Get a fucking job loser.

>>491026
>You should be banned
>terrorize
>get a job
All this just for having a contentious debate? Welcome to image boards. If you can't take the heat a more restrictive hugbox might be more suitable for you.

>>491026
None of you troons have responded to a single one of my positions beyond essentially "nuh uh".
The fact you Troons literally have no actual decent argumention, just proves the point, you guys are completely unhinged insane gender zionists pushing an ideology based on feels and chauvinism rather than any material or even consistent logical basis.
Like the fact you guys can't even stand the most basic of logical scrutiny of your own positions, or will always just argue "nobody is saying that" when you ALL SAY THAT ALL THE TIME, shows how full of shit your movement is.
You guys are nothing but cultists, honestly.

>>491029
No you lying fucking faggot. I have bene having this back and forth with you for literally years at this point. You know what I said is true. You are just a lying sneaky faggot hiding behind anonymity. Keep blathering reactionaries can get banned here.
I think the whole gender dynamic is dumb and people like you who enforce the binary are just as bad as gender shoppers. I have said this to you before and you don't listen because you arent intereted in truth what you want is some one to mirror your retard opinions at you about hating people who don't fit into your myopic default of society. Fuck you fuck off retard and kill yourself.

>>491028
Anon has been on this board for years repeating this same cancerous drivel. No u.

>>491034
Where did that anon say anything about enforcing gender?

>>491041
uygha are you retarded? e literally says that "Man = penis" it's the same bullshit on the other side of the coin.

>>491020
i also have a lot of bad experiences with BPD people (worst of which being my mother (batshit loony retard)) so imo my cluster B radar is strong at this point
but i also know people with BPD who arent unhinged, they have enough self-awareness to recognize and avoid that shit, in fact a good friend of mine for years that i trust deeply is a diagnosed borderline
honestly i do think youre on to something here and i mean it but also i think youre avoiding the root of the problem, i dont think you can really blame this on mental illness alone
the real question is: why does this manipulative shit have so much power in trans circles and in idpol contexts in general? sane people generally dont put up with this insanity for long, so i guess you could say that its just because each and every one of them are cluster B freaks, but my experiences with transmen and a few decent transwomen make this hard to believe, so whats really going on here?

my intuition tells me that there is actually a deeper connection here, i dont think its a coincidence that people who have an unstable sense of identity would be drawn to idpol, but this is just speculation

ngl bro/sis/sib, i really dont give a shit about this im in a class war rn

>>491034
Gender ideology is the one that "enforces the binary" you dumbass. It basically states that as a guy, you can't just have feminine aspects or want to wear flowing clothes, without basically going on HRT and being a fag or woman. I've also long argued that Non-Binary is actually a far more valid concept than transgenderism, just that Non-binary formalizes something that doesn't really need to be formalized because autists have an insufferable need to categorize everything into strict roles and a true melting of gender would be to accept feminine and masculine aspects into the expressions of both sexs.
Also gender binary isn't "enforced" in the way troons or even much of the left thinks it is. This is why we have the the great "Gender paradox" in social sciences and the left, where the more equal and gender parity a society, the more the interests and actions of males and females deviate. But the reality is, this is only a "paradox" if you believe gender is 100% Socialized like troons and gender cultists do (though they conveniently love to ignore how can a socialized male easily switch to female or lose a lifetime of male socialization?) it's that gender and sex are 90% the exact same thing. Male and female brains are different, they quite literally see the world different, different parts of the brain light up to the same thing be it male or female and we have seen this exact same ingrained human gender dynamic in bonobos and chimps.
As much as they want to make Warhammer "inclusive" it's still going to always be a hobby dominated 95% by men, and 95% of women's eyes will glaze over and their mind will start playing reruns of Sleepless in Seattle the moment you stick a Warhammer lore video on. This is because men and women are biologically different, and socialized behaviour are for the most part, extensions of these biological differences. Newborn baby boys and girls, have again, completely different behaviours and focus, because the reality is, humans are animals, and a lot of our behaviour is instinctual and ingrained into biology.
I keep getting called a "reactionary" and banned from .org for pushing back against the insane troon derailing and whinging there, but the reality is, gender ideology is anti-materialistic, incoherent and is the thing that is truly reactionary. I get called a reactionary for arguing that tom boys and tom girls are valid identities, that male fashion should have long flowing, beautiful designs and patterns, that men should be able to engage in feminine aspects without being called gay or a troon. Troons are infamous for going into twink, femboy and lesbian tomboy communities and trying to do functionally gay conversion therapy because they are really just "eggs" who are a different gender and need to take HRT to experience gender euphoria.
>>491055
Yep, I have one great BPD friend, but his is very mild, he's just a hilarious manslut and has some addiction issues. But most Cluster B's i've known (and dated) have been horrific, genuinely predatory manipulative people.
>the real question is: why does this manipulative shit have so much power in trans circles and in idpol contexts in general?
Refusal to gatekeep because you don't want to be seen as excusionary and not "inclusive" back in like 2007 I watched an entire Socialist org get ripped to shreads by a single insane malicious borderline wrecker, those that tried to reign her in were called "ableist" and booted, eventually the org itself collapsed due to her wrecking.
One of the big problems with the left in general is as well this need to constantly root out "reactionaries" and seeing disagreement as "reactionary" and that "Oppression points" does not make a person morally good or right or out of line. This leads to people being genuinely terrified to gatekeep against bad faith or unhinged actors who's arguments are seemingly more "radical" or "oppressed", instead the ones who get gatekept are those who argue for pragmatism or see the bigger picture or frankly, just want to reign in fucking asshole mentally ill wreckers. You saw this FAMOUSLY with occupy, where the experienced male leadership was systematically replaced with gay black lesbians and people who could wrack up the most oppression points, meanwhile the Marxist and Organized Labour working groups were booted for being "white and male". You also had the progressive stack, which led to the thing being turned into a idpol grievience fest.
This is also why mindless minitant Anarchist idiocy has so much cache on the left. People don't want to be seen as a "reactionary" for arguing against idiotic childish Anarchist edgylord mob mentality bullshit like "defund the police", "Landback", ACAB and all sorts of anarkid antisocial nonsense.
Honestly, the left is a mess and one of the big reasons I focus on gender ideology, is because it's so in your face, and exemplifies so much of what is wrong with the state of the left at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WFd5kYItHI
Also probably one of the best videos that touches on this topic of leftist mob mentality/"REACTIONARY REEEEE" behaviour.

>>491061
Good video but it doesn't really suggest a clear solution to the problem. How do we defang the ability of wreckers to come into organizations and derive pleasure from the domination of others? That is the fundamental question. Do we need to write some kind of member Bill of Rights into an organization's founding charter?

>>491061
>I've also long argued that Non-Binary is actually a far more valid concept than transgenderism
👻Gender👻 is a spook and idealistically I agree that binary transgenderism (trans man, trans woman) plays into that harmful binary notion of gender.
However, until non-binary gender is recognized and realized in a society, I claim that it's fair to play into that binary as a coping mechanism. If a legal document only accepts two genders, non-binary identity contradicts it. (Same with binary sex and intersex peoples) If one plays mixed sports, the non-binary person must compromise. I'm lucky enough to be in a society where non-binary options are more and more present, but for those without this privilege, non-binary identity is about as meaningful as someone who identifies as the 'Marxist' who only interprets the world in various ways - the identity is largely internal.
Because of this, I claim binary transgender identity is currently valid as a crappy coping mechanism for crappy societies. Def open to counterpoints, I say all this as a complete outsider and ignoramus.

>>491061
See then you retards always play thisd little game where you try and pass everything off on something I was not even talking about. Shoot yourself little faggot.

>>491064
People should just be able to wear whatever they want with out little faggots like OP crying like a fucking bitch. But on the same note we should keep it aesthetically pleasing. Hons need to just fucking stop no one is trying to see that. Let's be honest. Also no one should be walking around with there dick out or close to out in any fashion.

>>491064
You don't need legal reinforcement of Non binary at all, people just need to accept that "tomboy" and "Femboys" are valid forms of gender expression, within the sex to begin with.
Troons hate this though, hence why they heavily pull their cult egging grooming conversion bullshit heavily towards femboy communities and figures and tomboys.
>>491066
There are huge safety and other ramifications for allowing biological men invade vulnerable women's spaces and start massively hijacking positions that exist for women, look at the raft of "look at our all women programming team" and it's 1 actual woman among 20 troons. Also the fact is, most Troons still 100% act like men because socialization is a thing, and the reality is, lots of gender behaviour is genetically instinctual. Why is it when I go to my local Warhammer or gaming stores, is it 50% troons and men in there, when you might get 1 woman a week walk into there, get the vibe and quickly walk out? Because the troons are still in their own minds, mostly male. Just paved over with a dress.
Also here is the harsh truth. No troon on earth passes if you actually did art in high school and learned anatomy (shoulders are a dead give away) and male body structure in dresses looks fucking TERRIBLE no matter what. If men want flowing, loose clothes, they need to wear the ones that men have worn for thousands of years, robes, not dresses.

>>491111
Oh here we go "Men are going to just rape people cause that's what men do" If some one is going to get raped the person who is going to do the SA Is going to do it and a sign on a wall isn't going to prevent that you retarded fucking moron. There was a guy around my area who for 10 years would stalk women and sexually assult them when they got alone and he didn't get caught until like 3 days ago.
Our society should stop going off made up bullshit like gender and start basing what we do on chromosomal composition, but, you are to stupid to understand that and an actual answer means you dont get to bash on people for things they have no control over.
Even still I have seen tons of unisex bathrooms and never heard any stores about the fear monger and hysteria you moronic fucking retards prepose.

However some one dresses is how they dress. Like I said we shouldnt be obscene, but, stop being such a faggot god damnit I hate you lmao.

>>491112
>If some one is going to get T-boned by another car the driver who is going to do the T-boning Is going to do it and a light at an intersection isn't going to prevent that you retarded fucking moron.
Whoa, guess we don't need traffic lights anymore.

>>491113
Again you are just proving how stupid and illogical you are. A Car and a human controling it is not the same as a human and their emotions moron. Like I am mean to you because these things are so stupidly obvious that only the dumbest rejects in the world could possibly agree with your stupid shit. It's called a false dichotomy you retard.

>>491114
Some one is not any more or less a rapist because they are trans. Most of the people who rape are not trans.

>>491112
> If some one is going to get raped the person who is going to do the SA Is going to do it and a sign on a wall isn't going to prevent that you retarded fucking moron.
Putting guys in environments with super vulnerable women is absolutely going to lead to sexual assault and fucking weird ass behaviour. Even lets say, that most Troons weren't socialized as guys to begin with, what stops a ASPD guy from self-ID'ing as a woman, then getting sectioned and put into an environemnt filled with vulnerable women? Nothing, and don't think Cluster Bs won't do this, they absolutely 100% do. I've known a bunch of guys who suddenly became "non-binary" and started going to all female events to pick up chicks.
>Our society should stop going off made up bullshit like gender and start basing what we do on chromosomal composition
Gender is absolutely not made up. Aspects of gender roles are socialized, but gender is deeply tied to biological sex.
>you dont get to bash on people for things they have no control over.
Considering troonery is literally either a mentall illness, Autistic LARPing or AGP, yes, it's actually a thing most have a choice over.
Go read GC forums. Tonnes of "detransition" types who outright admit they got sucked into a cult during their vulnerable teen years and early 20s. Tonnes of these people were just gay and lesbians, and got brainwashed by Tumblrite predatory troons that they needed to transition, and for years basically were living a schizo lie, that often almost led them to suicide, until they realized "wait this is bullshit" and they broke out of the cult programming and now live happy lives accepting their gender or sexuality.
Look at Body Dysmorphic Disorder, why in fuck don't we reinforce that? Why is Pro-Ana looked down upon, but then Gender Dysphoria, which is functionally a form of Body Dysmorphic Disorder, we reinforce it? It makes no sense.
>Even still I have seen tons of unisex bathrooms and never heard any stores about the fear monger and hysteria you moronic fucking retards prepose.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885#pone.0016885.s002
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
https://reduxx.info/
http://transcrimeuk.com/
https://www.theredtentcollective.org/transgender-crime-map
There is also a rampant amount of abuses that go unreported, especially of Lesbians and tifs, who get assaulted yet don't report it because they don't want to contribute to "transphobia", it's a massively discussed part in alt-LGBT communities atm.
But reality is reality, Trans identified males commit sexual crimes at astronomical rates. Far, far, far higher than women.
>However some one dresses is how they dress. Like I said we shouldnt be obscene, but, stop being such a faggot god damnit I hate you lmao.
Except it's not just "guys wearing a dress". Changing the concept of gender and sex has massive societal ramifications. Sport, Women's spaces, The concept of Homosexuality entirely, prisons, hospitals, care, safe spaces, toilets etc.
If it was just "wearing a dress" then my solution would just be accepted, we broaden gender epxression within biological sex, not claim that gender is 100% fake and socialized (yet then magically Troons can change their socialization somehow)

>>491142
>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.p
It's interesting that hormone therapy seems to reduce suicide risk while surgery seems to increase it.

>>491145
You can reverse hormones when you realize you've been brainwashed by an insane tumblr cult. Also tonnes of Troons are AGP so stroking their "Girldicks" is a major part of being a troon.
You fully convert, you realize "wait what the fuck I don't want this" and it's joever.

>>491152
i dont think that this is the reason, i intuit that this is because we have a very confused idea of what gender dysphoria means, for example its possible that most people who identify as transgender do so not on the basis of sex and therefore a sex change operation is not suitable for them whereas hrt targets secondary sexual characteristics and fit more in line with gender as a sort of aesthetic expression of sex, im thinking of the debates between transmedicalists ("truscum") and transtrenders and so on here

I think you guys are missing the larger point, which is that troons make up a statistically negligible portion of the population. The media, including social media, exposes you to them constantly because it's profitable to make people angry and beneficial to the bourgeois to keep people divided over culture-war issues, since they ultimately aren't affected by any of it. But if you put down your phone and take a look at the world around you, you'll notice a very interesting trend; you almost never run into actual troons in real life.

Discussing transgenderism as if it were a meaningful social issue, getting obsessed with the integrity of women's sports that you don't actually watch, freaking out over transgenders being pedophiles, is the equivalent of freaking out over pagan animal sacrifices. It's a non-issue that has been made a thing to distract from the class struggle.

>>491019
>Was happening in shitlib areas on the West coast, in general 27% of people between 13-24 identify as Transgender/NB, that's fucking INSANE for a disorder that exists in fractions of a single percent of the population.

Have you considered the the American west coast was always super liberal?

Also using terms like “it’s insane for a disorder to exist” is hyperbole

Transgenderism is not a mental disorder.
And stop morally obsessing over young peoples preferences that doesn’t involve rape or murder or robbery

>Because right wing people do something, doesn't been troons aren't awash with pedophile predators. Troons have entire disco servers and subreddits like egging, dedicated to grooming children. Lolicon and ageplay and all sorts of pedo shit is completely mainstream and frankly the majority among troon communities. Troons literally hold that children have fully formed sexual self identity.

First of all, do not confuse Loli and ageplay for pedophilia.
Second of all, that grooming behavior you’re describing is ironically more common on the right.

There are a lot of servers that are right wing that groom underage people. There’s chat logs of neo nazis or Religiopolitical conservatives being sexually explicit towards minors, real and assumed.

>For good reason, it's fucking insane that any child is allowed to go through with it.

It’s also insane that circumcision is allowed on infants but nobody bats an eye over that
It’s also insane that bullying is justified by adults as “kids being kids” even when it results in injury or death


>Are you insane? Troons are insanely misogynistic. Go look at .orge whenever the topic of feminism comes up.

Can you stop overusing the word “insane” and “mental illness”? You keep using it as hyperbole. It’s really annoying but I cannot expect any better from
Image board users

>Even Hontrapoints has an entire character mocking women talking about biological women's issues like periods and pregnancy.
This is what makes also .orge so fucking absurd, they fucking DESPISE women to the point you get single troons going on multi-post rants about how women are evil and shit, but you have to accept every slippery sloping troon argument there or you get banned immediately.

Ogre is auto-misandrist. Do you not see the amount of posts they make about how men are the defective/expendable gender?
Do you not read posts about how they simp for women and desire to be women?
Do you not see the posts on how they want to eradicate Y-chromosome to “stop war and crime”?

They’re not misogynistic for the sake of defending transgender folk. They’re misogynistic because they didn’t get to have sex with women in their teens and early twenties.

All in all, you’re delusional. There’s far too much whining over transgender people

>>491142
Those trans people you’re describing are fakers

>>491223
This

OP is exaggerating a literal non-issue. Most of the sick degenerate stuff that transhumanists are allegedly doing is mainly cis folk who blaspheme transgender in for their own agenda

>>490905
>Response to any questions is just calling people "TERF"'s and crybullying like Zionists.
Critical support to cvꑭᛏoidϟ in their struggle against ᛏrooꑭoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Largely ignore the rampant misogyny in the movement.
Critical support to ᛏrooꑭoidϟ in their struggle against cvꑭᛏoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Can't even define what a woman or man is.
Bullshit made up to divide the proletaryat into another batch of competing uyghur nations (identities) to fuck them both in different ways while they fight each other.
>Largely moves to actually reinforce gender norms in almost a parody way.
Oh shit, just like cvntnazism does! Holy fuck, how?!
>Muh trans genocide despite it's been debunked
Just like muh cvnt oppression, precisely

>the left
libs. It's all libs you fucking lib, now gtfo and kys

Tl;Dr because in the end every single one of you faggots are fucking larping libshits. every. single. one. And just like any lib you fuse yourselves with some fucking identity and start flipping shit for its greatness in the free marketplace of ideas carefully tailored for your retardation by the bourgeoisie, for it knows that you libtards cannot live without your die rasse you fucking unterbourg faggots. Kill each other already ffs.
There would be no euroshits nor assians in communism, no cumskins nor uyghurs, no men and no women but fucking minds you fucking pretentious debasing genitalia scientist nazi scumfuck bitchass cuck uyghur fag. kys

>>490907
>-er, more
Libtard whoreout, kys immediately you fucking ϟuccdam

>>490922
>so much of transgenderism is just outright assaults on women and female identity
Great! Let them princessess have their own uyghur crisis of femininity!
>Contras-point
A fucking uyghurfaggot whose bills are paid by the mutterficking british parliament, just like with every other bluttuber

>>490936
<reee if you werent being so untermeschen but a part of my eternally oppressed aryan nazidentity then you would know!1
And some say troons arent womyt lul

>>491055
>the real question is: why does this manipulative shit have so much power in trans circles and in idpol contexts in general?
Alienation and the subsequent need to stuff up one's existence with meaning by belonging to something. You fucking uyghur ape chimp monkeys are organically incapable of existing on your own and neither can you feel yourselves as a part of some mythical poolentilenat which is destined to overthrow the world of alienation itself for inexistence of such a class and its consciousness. So you have to die for the cause of never losing the ground below your feet or you go fucking insane and still die for the same cause by physical disintegration in a shootout with the local orpo or by mental breakdown of your consciousness if you would try to tough it out on your own. Thats why there is more and more offensive identitarian degeneracy lashing out all around the world as social fordism that was instated to keep the production going is crumbling everywhere which results in a systemic lack of means to exist in consumption, and therefore something has to give.

>>491061
>Gender ideology is the one that "enforces the binary" you dumbass.
Holy fuck, at last someone truly sees! I would also add the fact that ᛏrooꑭϟ don't hate cvꑭᛏϟ as much as they absolutely despise fags for their purported chasing which is bringing ᛏrooꑭoidϟ back to the level of subhuman scrotes. Wuz really fun to read it when they accidentaly slip off on this attitude when lashing at chasers kek.
>Troons are infamous for going into twink, femboy and lesbian tomboy communities and trying to do functionally gay conversion therapy because they are really just "eggs" who are a different gender and need to take HRT to experience gender euphoria.
One can see this shit being done to that femboy graph >>490935 which ᛏrooꑭϟ butchered to such a degree the actual author of it had to officialy state that its about femboy play and not about fucking troonsitioning and their fucking aryanity rank pronounciations which they slapped onto it to serve their "inexistent" agenda

>>491224
>stop morally obsessing over young peoples preferences
Where the fuck do these "just preferences" come from, who finances this shit and in whose class interests would it be you fucking libshit? Das right bitch that would be your buddies from the bourgeoisie. Very libtard of you to support the status quo instead of understanding what produces it and for what purpose


>>491057
>accept WebP
This gotta be a joke.