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Anyone else find it ridiculous that jobs are able to drug test you for what you are doing outside of work? If I want to smoke weed or shoot heroin outside of work I don't see why I shouldn't be able to do it.

If I'm drunk or high on the job that's one thing but I don't think people should be allowed to be fired for what they do outside of work. Especially, yeah, when alcohol (arguably one of the most destructive Drugs ever) is legal and B: When it's 2022 and pretty much everyone and granny is stoned out of their mind.

What's the deal with this? Why are people willing to literally let their employers anal rape them?
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This take is gonna get me the but we can and should lobby the federal government short term on issues like this. I actually am not super familiar with these laws but I should be. More for me to learn I suppose.


Why would I support making capitalist state's stronger? Porkies love bragging about "muh civil rights" they wear it like a badge so they look better, all about appearances, the more totalitarian and harsh a capitalist country is the faster bosses lose control of the workers.


Isn't it a bit of a stretch to say it will make them "stronger" they aren't an invading military force or something


Is 420chan really dead?


Yes. Rip to a real one.

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>you can have no friends and be a socialist
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No, of course not.


>you can have no spooks and be a socialist
yes I have no spooks


I can be your friend tho


I have a hand full of irl friends. Statistically speaking people are more lonely now than ever before especially men.


>most of the working class are young guys who call women bitches, get into fights, and drink.
those are the few good people

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Sup, I have a buddy of mine that works with me.
We used to work at this shitty restaurant where we were extremely underpaid, etc etc. You know how that goes.
Anyway, we both ended up getting an extremely good well paying job. Now the company prides itself on its outstanding quality and god labor practices, but, I have been doing really well and excelling and my buddy is not doing so well. we got trained on different shifts. My shift worked really hard to get me where I needed to be as a group and as a unit. I had to change teams I was on several times because of issues with the management but now I am where I need to be and doing well. We are now on the same shift and he is getting trained on this shift. This shift has extremely high production quotas some times 3 or 4x higher than the other shifts and they are all assholes. The guy teaching him is being a prick too and yelling at him, etc etc etc. Well he got a little sick of it today and went and talked to the shift manager and he asked to changed to a different team where he wouldn't be getting constantly yelled at.
Basically the manager told him to fuck himself and that he isn't changing teams. He also told him "yeah we almost canned a guy today" (my friend is unsure if this was a tacit lowkey admission that they are thinking of firing him.) Well, I know from my experience with the shift I got trained on that sounds like a bullshit approach and it sounds like they are not giving him the necessary attention to have him excel at this job. Which isn't easy, btw. He has a family and he is trying really hard to keep his job but he doesn't know what to do.
He asked me for advice and said he was thinking of going above our shift manager and going to his boss or HR. Obviously, I told him I would. I don't like to let them push me around, but, he is worried about it. He doesn't want to loose this job and go back to washing fucking dishes and a restaurant.
I told him if I was him I would wait a week and take he training I could get from the asshole team lead and ignore him being a prick and see how he feels in a week or so. but he retorted with "well I am scared they are going to look for a reason to fire me which makes me want to go to HR first"
I gave him my advice and I don't know what to think of it. What do you guys think? Seriously in need of advice here for my buddy. He's a good dude who is honestly to god for this shitty world and he's just trying to make a living for his family.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



Assuming the goal is to simply to get the trainer to quit being an asshole, the best route might be to compliment and validate him.

In short, it's extremely hard to treat someone like shit when they are complimenting you. A sort of tactical surrender often lulls bullies, who find less amusement when their victim isn't resisting, fighting back, or getting upset.

'Youre right, I wish I had the skills you had, how can I do better' (said somewhat genuinely) can be quite disarming to an overbearing bully.

If you want to get the guy fired, it would probably be best to document to abuse and take it to HR. That may get the guy fired, but it might not actually help your friend in the company, who might be seen by other trainers/managers as a snitch.


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Look, the thinis, yeah, the team lead is an asshle but he doesn't have the power to fire people…he isn't THAT BAD outside of work.

Who i'm really worried about is his boss the guy my buddy 3went to. I have full cinfidence my friend could do the job he just needs people like I had who were willing to put in the time and patients to train him.

That's good advice though. I'll deff pass that down. Thanks anon.

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I've officially spent one whole year working in a factory. I've had dozens of jobs and never managed to stay in one longer than 6 or 7 months. All for various reasons. Hating the job generallly, depression, wages suck, boss is a count, etc etc etc. This is the second job I've had in a factory and the first job I have ever had where I am actually producing goods for society.

I'm actually proud of the work I do even if I am being heavily exploited by having my life force and time stolen from me.it feels good to actually make something for society. It feels good to work at a job for a year. To have stable employment and decent wages.

It's tragic that reality is not like this for most people. AMA
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>It feels good to work at a job for a year. To have stable employment and decent wages.
I had also a period in my life with lots of different poorly payed unstable jobs and it's incredibly difficult to be happy in that situation.
I've been working in the same corp for some years now and even though I guess I could find something better, when you start a new job you have to adapt yourself and made some extra effort to be at the same level as your colleagues. I still prefer to work 4 hours or less per day, because I got good with time at my job, and enjoy the rest of the day when I'm working from home. $300 more or less per month isn't going to change anything at the end of the day, we are all still wage slaves.


Oh don't get me wrong a work from home gig with those hours would be absolutely cake. I am proud to be an industrial proletariat though.


Physically demanding jobs can be fun as fuck. I did landscaping one summer right after college. Had an amazing time and got pretty toned.


Hell yeah, lol.
I used to do landscaping with my dad.
It's the only job I consider harder than the job I have now. We had to move a pallet of grass covered in ants once with no gloves in the pouring rain.


Yes, you feel like you are wasting your time and are useless to the society most of the time with an office job, ngl. But having free time and getting payed for it, compensates a bit those feelings.
I studying at the same time to have a degree and after that, I'll try to do something useful with my life. It gets boring over time when nothing changes if you work for 8 hours, or if you play games and check your mails every 15 minutes to ignore them for the day if it's not going to get you in trouble. I work for a big company, I don't care if they make money or no, but at the same time everyone likes to feel useful and not waste 80% of your life in acting like you are busy.

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What do you do for work anon?
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DevOps for webdev corp


So you're a lazy white collar worker, kek? Just kidding.


Work in a food processing plant.


ye pretty much


I want to work in tech, so, I can't complain.

DO you work with meat?

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Welp here we go again

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Work from home email jobs like this are bullshit and seeing them is all the evidence I need to decide that the economy is deeply flawed and will shortly collapse in on itself. This isn't just me being a commie either, you can have relatively productive economies under laissez-faire capitalism, but 2022 America doesn't fit this category at all.

You see, people with these types of jobs like to kid themselves by saying: "haha I spend 90% of my "work" time scrolling through facebook and procrastinating, the schmuck who owns this company sure would be so mad if he found out!". The thing is, they know. They simply don't care. I just can't fully understand why they don't care. Is porky just trying to carry on as normal in the hope that things will blow over, burying his head in the sand as markets begin to collapse in on themselves? It makes no sense to me which is why it's so frightening.

These girls obviously don't know any better, and I am admittedly somewhat jealous of them as a manual labourer, but once all the people in these ridiculous jobs get made redundant I do wonder what will happen to them. Even the gig economy, including onlyfans, is drying up as people have less disposable income and fuel prices are skyrocketing so no Uber.
What I'm saying is, I feel like this upcoming recession will be very different bros, I can feel it in my stomach. Is anyone else getting this same feeling of impending doom?


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What these retarded normies don't understand is that with out productive labor out put "creating value ala things of utility) in the economy of course the economy will collapse in on itself. You can't survive on speculation and air. Normies think money runs the world, but, ofc, the truth is that labor and the creation of useful commodities makes the world go.

The coof virus only exacerbated this and accelerated it; this already underlying existing issue because Americas productive output has been on the decline for decades, The chickens are coming home to roost I am afraid, though.


I don't understand what a product manager does, from the video they seem to be reading information-output on a computer screen and then they input information back into the computer based on that. Some capitalists are probably trying to use that information to train an artificial neural network, and replace them with a bot.

On the other side of that equation is that if all the people work in a digital office, you don't need capitalist owners anymore. Because there is no more capital involved.

The Bullshit jobs might be about ideological control.

>you can have relatively productive economies under laissez-faire capitalism, but 2022 America doesn't fit this category at all.

No you are extremely wrong about that. You have been tricked by ruling ideology.
Capitalism does not prefer productive labor if you let capitalists do as they please, under the neo-liberal doctrine, productive labour = everything in the private sector. unproductive labour = everything in the public sector, regardless what the activity is.

The way Marxists qualify productive labor, as something that generates persistent wealth that can be accumulated by society is not how capitalists see it. The big bourgeoisie want this shit economy, they want to have a big unproductive service sector that tends to their needs, they want luxuries for them self, they want too much military spending to attack their rivals, and from their perspective the current system isn't broken, they get what they want from it. They don't care that, luxury yachts/cars/mansions are unproductive, that financial services hiding their assets from taxes is unproductive, that bloated corporate bureaucracy for controlling workers is unproductive, that data surveillance is unproductive, that blowing up countries or overthrowing governments is unproductive, that ideological enforcement of ruling ideology is unproductive. All that stuff benefits their class interests, if you let capitalist do as they please ( laissez fair ,if you prefer French ), this is what you get.

If you want more work directed at productive tasks you could go for a soviet style planned economy, cybernetic socialism, social democracy or the chinese model. All these models divert more labor power to the productive sector, either by removing the capitalist class altogether or by controlling them vPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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It's more an ideological thing, also. These people grew up with parents who worked mon-fri 8 hours a day and busted their ass building up western society and they all worked and did work for their unions too. This generated a sense of work ethic in boomers that they have now turned into an out right fetish. Americans work hard now than any point in history but it's never good enough for these people.

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Welcome to the work day general.

Tell us about your day anon. Did you have a good day at work? Its OK we know work is horrible.

I work graves at a factory. If you have it shitty at work I can relate.

Tell us about your day under the crushing weight of the profit motive.
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day felt fast and we finished early, was happy.


It went relatively fast, nothing out of the ordinary happened tbh.

Highlight was breaking about 1000 health and safety regulations by hitting a spinning lathe with a mallet.


Lol, one time we smelled fire and our team lead literally just made us keep going. It turned out to be nothing, but, yeah OSHA wouldn't be happy about that one.


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Lol your boss is like that this is fine dog meme.

The best health and safety training I ever received was watching those liveleak videos from Chinese factories. They made me actually treat the machinery with the respect it deserves.


Yeah those a pretty scary. Anytime I think about acting dumb in anyway I think about those videos, lol.
We had a guy get the tip of his finger ripped off the other day from acting stupid.

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