>>1382I know what Stalin said. Again, you are not as smart as you think you are. Stalin was a revisionist megalomaniac. Nore do I really see why this is relevant because the two are not mutually exclusive. You are sitting there acting like you just can't hve freedom while you raise people standards of living when you absolutely can. Even if the USSR did good things it also failed in other ways and we should learn from them.
Ways like having centralized governmental bodies control the lives and choices of what ultimately belong to the will of the masses themselves. Unless your "socialist" movement involves that I do not want to be a part of it.
>Socialism is about ending the class oppression of proletariat by the bourgeoisie.You're saying the exact same thing I am just in a different way. Obviously that is what it is about and what that is about itself is better lives for the people exploited by the hand of capitalism. Nore does democratic association mean "politically correct" you have to resort to these rhetorical tricks because you know you are on the loosing end of this argument because no one in modern times is willing to subjugate themselves to pogroms and authoritarianism under socialist movments. They only way to gain relevancy is to appeal to peoples sense of freedom in the modern era. You've clearly never done any actual organizing which is why you probably cannot seem to understand how unions and syndicates function, or, even soviets.
>I make minimum wage, hate coffee and Mac OS is shit. Stop strawmanning because you're losing the arguement. =Cope==
>Unfortunately my leftychan posts don't hav what much influence anon, I wish they did…But it is the monopoly the capitalists have on media and academia which has tricked masses into thinking that "freedom and democracy" is being able to choose from 800 brands of bottled water, and vote for one of two identical parties which despise them every 5 years. The reason the ruling class don't demonise Catalonia and Paris is not because they were perfect revolutions, but because they're so irrelevant. In fact, at the time the bourgeois media did point to the mass executions of priests and forced labour camps in Catalonia as proof of their evil. The difference is that socialists
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