/tech/ - Technology

>0) Are the orgs like EFF strong enough to protect us ?
They have played a decent role in the past serving as a general canary in the coal mine of internet freedom, but those fuckers completely dropped the ball when Stallman was smearmobbed, and they've occasionally had some other hypocritical stances in recent years.

>>12902
I was about to to say they have been infiltrated by green haired, nose ring piercing, troons.

>>12902
>dropped the ball when Stallman was smearmobbed
yeah that was unfortunate

>>12903
>they have been infiltrated by green haired
the question is does that hinder their defense of digital rights ?

I'm going to make a BlueSky/@protocol account once they open up registrations. Twitter is done for if they are going to require biometric and government ID. Fuck that shit.

>>12521
Never heard of this before, thanks for bringing this to my attention. Can you explain why you favor this.

>>12525
You mean BlueSky? It's from the original founder of Twitter, Jack. Jack sucks dick, but BlueSky is built on the @protocol, which is another decentralized social media protocol, much like Fediverse.

The key difference IMO is that @protocol will allow you to bring all of your content/timeline with you to other servers as well as your followers, so it's much more censorship-resistant and decentralized than either Twitter or Fediverse. And I think it'll probably have wider adoption than Mastodon due to financial backing.

>>12526
>The key difference IMO is that @protocol will allow you to bring all of your content/timeline with you to other servers as well as your followers, so it's much more censorship-resistant and decentralized than either Twitter or Fediverse.
Are we talking about the same Fediverse here? That's lots of Fediverse technologies that allow you to do that.

twitter is killing nitter again
The context might be cracking down on Ai scraping

https://nitter.d420.de/
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish
<Unfortunately, the API servers have set sail into the digital sunset.
<Looks like this is the end of TwiX.
<Other (still left working) Instances: https://status.d420.de.

<If nothing changes, all remaining instances will go down eventually: Instances rely on guest accounts, which are valid for a certain time and of which you need a ton to run a public instance. The API for this got taken down and it doesn't look like a fluke this time.

<Thanks for the ride.

discussion on the nitter github repo:
https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-1913362376
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Could be exciting.

Inb4 dystopian horror predictions

>>12894
Cool. Now we'll have tons of sporadically thrown out nuclear batteries too. Just imagine what will happen after the release of iphone vuvuzela XD NOOK-2v.

Nokia will become Nukia.

>>12895
>Could be exciting.
kek physics pun, you know because ionized electrons (beta-radiation) are sometimes called excited electrons.

>Inb4 dystopian horror predictions
Yup it already started.

>>12899
>tons of sporadically thrown out nuclear batteries.
Assuming this takes off, and they're really good at optimizing mass production. I would expect that a 1 Watt nuke-powercell for consumer items will cost at least 50-100 bucks. And it'll be something that comes in a standardized size, that people slot into their electronic devices (which will not ship with it). And people will consider it a precious item that'll last them for many devices, like a nice quality charging-brick. There will be no problem to recycle these either. It's made of valuable materials. Also the betavolt battery in OP, uses a radioactive nickel-63 isotope that decays into a stable(not radioactive) isotope of copper. So even if people throw them out, it'll just be a waste of copper.

>>12872
It's fucking dogshit that instead of competing companies lock people into their shit and force it on them. I hope that guy wins his case.

> people might get red-pilled because socialism has full personal property rights

I think if you can nudge people in that direction they can connect the dots that this is just another thing in the long line of bullshit that all companies basically try to or end up doing. And they might recognize late stage capitalism as a thing.

But I don't get how to explain to people, even if they agree that late stage capitalism sucks, that socialism is the answer. Like they either already think that or they aren't going to listen lol.

>>12890
>It's fucking dogshit that instead of competing companies lock people into their shit and force it on them. I hope that guy wins his case.
I think this story had a happy end, and the company changed its mind.
<Takedown Story
<Haier sent a takedown notice and threatened legal action. The community started a big riot and called for a Haier boycott, the repository was forked over 2000+ times to make the code undeletable. Haier was made to rethink and plans to support the integration.
https://github.com/Andre0512/hon

>I think if you can nudge people in that direction they can connect the dots that this is just another thing in the long line of bullshit that all companies basically try to or end up doing. And they might recognize late stage capitalism as a thing.
>But I don't get how to explain to people, even if they agree that late stage capitalism sucks, that socialism is the answer. Like they either already think that or they aren't going to listen
I guess most people think that companies can be nudged towards being less shitty. Sometimes it works, like it appears to have this time.

It does look like the trend for "enshitification" is irreversable.
If it becomes impossible to control your technology under capitalism that's probably when people will begin to listen to ideas of fundamentally changing the system.

>>12830
>we already have free aka libre software which goes a lot further
The point of the GPL is to keep open source code open.

The point of this new thing is more like "I'm too lazy/incompetent to build a business on this code I wrote but if somebody else figures out how to make money with it then I want a cut of your profits". It's the software equivalent of being a landlord essentially.

>>12832
>I have no idea what possessed grey beards to toil under the BSD cuck license
Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.

>>12839
>The point of the GPL is to keep open source code open.
I agree with that.

>The point of this new thing is the software equivalent of being a landlord.
You're not wrong, but open landlord software might still be better than proprietary software. Assuming they publish sources, allow libre forking/redistribution, as well as make it free for non-commercial use. If people choose to publish under an open landlord software license over a proprietary license, that might still count as a win.

>Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.
I'm not that dude, and i don't disagree with you, but i would like to add nuance. In higher stage socialism when it's basically impossible to suffer any unmet material needs. People will work towards self-realization goals. Star trek got that part mostly correct.

I am very much looking forward to the day when there no longer exist any humans willing to take people like Bruce Perens and Eric Raymond seriously.

>>12839
>Dude you're the one who thinks that under communism everyone will voluntarily work for free.
<Implying not paying anything to the actively exploited proles isn't the ideal state of production for the leading class of capitalist class system
kys

Not even gonna ask why would you do anything only if you get something in return. It's not like you've always lived under constant shortages of goods anyway, is it?

>>12885
>Implying not paying anything to the actively exploited proles isn't the ideal state of production for the leading class of capitalist class system
Is that supposed to be english?

>kys
Adding a communist flag to your post doesn't give you a license to be a shitty person.

Fuck u 🖕

>>12850
Still FUD. Mostly.

Here's the thing: even if there is legitimately too much data being sent to matrix.org from using the element app, the whole thing is still open source, so you can run your own app, your own server, and have it be secure as far as anyone can make anything secure. And that is the state of it today.

I am a bit concerned about their connections to Israel however.

Holy fuck element just locked the issue for the most requested feature of having multiple account support. What a bunch of faggots

https://github.com/element-hq/element-web/issues/2320#issuecomment-1885852306

>>12803

Most of your requirement are met by simplex.chat
Enjoy!

>>12870
How come I haven't heard of this before? It's self hosted, and seems like it might be more stable than element. I wonder if you can use it to send files?

schmlomo ur mom

>>12856
>I think you're right in the very long term but soooooo many private interests rely on intellectual property enforcement that it won't happen anytime soon.
The copy monopoly crap is a net negative for most businesses, because it is primarily a legalistic weapon designed for law-fare to be waged by large monopolists. The groups that benefit are powerfull but they are not "soooooo many". Also it definitely is not a form of property, not even in bourgeois ideology. If you read the bourgeois legal definitions, those call it a "state granted monopoly"

>We're starting to see cracks, like Disney not extending the copyright on "Steamboat Willie" but we are no where near the dismantling of copyright AI needs to thrive.
It's hard to tell how quick/slow the transformation will be. AI progression might go slow and incrementally, but it could also be rapid. I guess it kinda depends on how quickly the constraining factors can be optimized. Consider that you as a human didn't have to read hundreds of millions of books and webpages, to be able to formulate a coherent reply to a text query. People who can draw nice pictures didn't have to look at millions of pictures to learn how. So it stands to reason that the AI training algorithms still have a huge optimization potential.

I'm kinda uncertain about Disney's agency in all of this. Did they have the power to extend the copy-monopoly on Steamboat Willie, but decided not to do so. Or was it that they no longer had the power to do it. After-all they did try and fail to copy-censor some of the public-domain uses of it.

Somebody made an AI George Carlin
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=2kONMe7YnO8

For comparison Here's an actual recording of George Carlin
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=ysHIPxbdDno

I'm spoilering my commentary in case you want to form your own opinion first.

I wanted to like this, because i was hoping that it might keep brilliant minds sort off available after they passed away fucking died. But it didn't really capture the magic, the AI version is severely neutered ideology-wise and lacks the pointed language compared to the actual guy. The AI version doesn't mimic Carlin's distinctive facial expressions, but I won't hold that against them since many people will only listen to the audio anyway. There are a few chuckles in there, so if this stuff really was entirely AI generated, that's still very impressive from a technical perspective.

I get the impression that they intentionally watered down AI-Carlin. At that point why bother with an AI resurrection. This feels like when People tried to "fix" old books in re-released versions.

>>12857
>they are becoming a powerful interest group that will push back against the copy monopoly terror

They will not, and will in fact be the worst perpetrator yet seen

>If you know more about the AI-Theil connection please share.

The modern right wing fascist movement is a direct result of theil. he is so influencial in the world of silicon valley, VCs and such, y combinator. He is a manipulative psycho who basically wants to establish himself and his class as a permanent ruling aristocracy. If you have come across far right media in the last ten years, it will be tied to theils money. For example the bronze age pervert book was propped up and distributed by theil. he's trying hard to make fascism cool and artsy currently. regardless, he is a fucking demon that wants to control everyone and everything and essentially create hell for anyone who isnt a billionaire. the worst part is that he is legitimately very smart, just evil, so he's extremely dangerous. If you dig around, you'll find him trying to accelerate everything that makes our lives worse.

>>12866
>They will not, and will in fact be the worst perpetrator yet seen
Do you mean to say Ai companies will do more copy-monopoly impositions ?

I very much doubt that. Copy-monopolies only work for static data. The Ai systems aren't static, the training data sets, the model weights, and so on, all of it is in continuous flux. There's nothing in there that is fixed enough to turn it into a definable "legal object".

These generative AIs have a processing step that uses randomized noise, so even identical instances of an AI system are unlikely to produce identical results. If you try to apply copy-monopoly logic to this, you'd get a mad competition to copy-rape all the things. For example Amazon would be using it's large array of cloud computers to generate every possible book, that is somewhat coherent text. Anybody who tries to author a new book, gets told "F.U. already generated and copy-raped". Not just books, ALL forms of expression would become copy-monopoly infringement. Copy-monopolies would become too absurd to continue existing.

If I were trying to make a AI company that i.d.k draws pictures for example. I wouldn't download all the images from DeviantArt and then computationally brute-force those. It works well enough but it's not the best method. You hire a painter, to paint something from a photo. And you feed the Ai system with the data about their graphic-tablet-inputs and their gaze (which part of the photo they focus their attention on). Then you only need to apply brute force-processing on tiny chunks of an image. Instead of using tens of gigabytes of RAM-memory you use hundreds of megabytes of CACHE-memory. Which is much faster and lower on power consumption. The "chunking method" also needs smaller training data-sets. But it requires you to hire people and strap them into a fancy set-up in order to make them "teach" the AI system the entire step by step process of painting a picture, instead of just showing it the final result. With this optimization you can condense a "AI-thing" into a reasonably priced pcie-card, with a relatively low power consumption and sell it as a commodity. Artists and everybody else who inputs "intelligence chunks" would become wage-workers in a factory, that make pieces of silicon that are "a skill in a can". Over time the many dedicated chips get consolidatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>12866
>Theil is a manipulative psycho who basically wants to establish himself and his class as a permanent ruling aristocracy.
>he is a fucking demon that wants to control everyone and everything and essentially create hell for anyone who isnt a billionaire.
True but that's always been the goal of any ruling class.
The question is whether a "tech-monarchy" is really viable ?
The world is a big place, that also will contain "classical capitalist" economies. The last time the capitalists out-competed the monarchs. If China or some other country manages to reach a higher socialist mode of production, that'll blow past both of those.

>the worst part is that he is legitimately very smart, just evil
So he's intelligent, except for the youth snake-oil bullshit he fell for ?

>If you dig around, you'll find him trying to accelerate everything that makes our lives worse.
He invested in Palantir the data mining company with links to the CIA. Do you mean that ?

>>12848
>people in africa living on $1 a day because of you
You made up a fake quote and then wrote a whole post debunking it.
This is the actual quote if you want to try again:
>There are millions of people in africa living on $1 a day. If you care so much about equality then there is nothing stopping you for giving half your money to them.
The point being that you don't care about equality you just want to get free stuff for yourself.

>Capitalism is a system implemented through violence and terror, unfathomable mind-bending amounts of violence and terror.
<you do work
<they pay you
<you stop working
<they stop paying you
Where is the violence?

>>12849
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>>12852
>Where is the violence?
There is a tremendous amount of organized direct violence, where people are terrorized to submit to capitalist logic. However most of the violence in capitalism is structural. Structural violence is less dramatic, but it is destroying a huge amount of people, none the less.

The more egregious examples of structural violence are perhaps best exemplified in the game where big multinational capitalists bribe politicians of powerful countries like the US to impose sanctions against smaller weaker countries. They do this in order to make live unbearable for the population. To punish people for not electing leaders that allow those big multinational capitalists to plunder countries and maximally exploit the population. On a more local level there would be something similar that is called austerity economics, those lower living standards of people, which has destructive effects on the well being of people. That is violence too, even if it isn't the pinkertons gunning down striking workers.

You have to be realistic, capitalists could neither control so much means of production, nor could they extract large profits without violence. When ever workers try to claim all the wealth they produced the capitalists call on the state to brutalize the workers, sometimes the capitalists hire mercenary groups to do that.

Another very obvious thing that cannot exist without violence are the insane wealth concentrations, it's not possible to take so much wealth from the people without violence, and it's also not possible to keep people from taking it back, without loads of violence.

You also have to stop pretending that capitalism is a voluntary system. You can't claim that people had a choice when there's only one economic system to choose from. People who try to build alternative economic systems that bypasses capitalism get murdered sometimes by the millions like in Indonesia 1965-1966. Literally every socialist country that tried to build another economic system got invaded by capitalist powers, usually more than once. The Soviets suffered 14 invasions. But also people that tried to build alternative systems within capitalist countries get attacked viciously. I'm not talking just about communists building networks of communes and such things. But there's also other non socialist altPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>12852
>It's understandable that Marx hypothesized this 200 years ago but we have enough evidence now to say this is completely false.
What the fuck are you talking about. Marx's theories have largely been proven correct. The falling rate of profit turned out to be true. And there were massive socialist revolutions in the 20th century.

The only theoretical point Marx seemed to have gotten wrong was about industrial capital usurping financial capital in terms of political power. When neo-liberal capitalism took off in the west, financial capital was put above industrial capital. However if you look at the world economy, you can see China prioritizing their industrial sector over their financial sector, and they are winning on economics.

>The happier the workers are the less they give a shit about political revolution.
You are a fucking clown, workers aren't happy at all, and capitalism is using brutal repression against revolutionary or reformist politics.

>Even 100 years ago Sorel wrote about how class warfare could never win in industrialized countries
Who ?

Anyway if you look at the workers movement in the west, in the post WW2 period. The only reason why the Neo-liberals were able to reverse the progress the social democrats were able to achieve, is because they could outsource industrial labor, and destroy the bargaining power of the western labor-movement.

But it turns out that de-industrializing the west, and offshoring industry to the periphery of the capitalist imperial system meant that, the periphery could catch up to the core. Now the big imperial capitalists that initially funded the neo-liberal politics are loosing their ability to extract imperial profits from the world.
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>>12854
>There is a tremendous amount of organized direct violence, where people are terrorized to submit to capitalist logic.
Such a tremendous amount that you can't even name one example.

>However most of the violence in capitalism is structural.
I expect "structural violence" is as meaningless a term as "structural racism".

>The more egregious examples of structural violence are perhaps best exemplified in the game where big multinational capitalists bribe politicians of powerful countries like the US to impose sanctions against smaller weaker countries.
When the government does stuff that's socialism. You know that.

>You also have to stop pretending that capitalism is a voluntary system.
It sounds like we're talking about different things then. We both hate the current system, the difference is you think the problem is not enough government and I think the problem is too much government.

>words words words
Since you've probably forgot my original point I'll repeat it.
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>>12860
>there were massive socialist revolutions in the 20th century.
All in agrarian countries. Once a country industrializes the living conditions of workers skyrockets so fast that class war is effectively off the table for the foreseeable future. That was the whole point Sorel was trying to make (read a book). And that's why 21st century socialism has replaced class war with race war and environmentalism as methods of stirring up revolution.

>When neo-liberal capitalism took off in the west, financial capital was put above industrial capital.
Again, technocrats at the federal reserve trying to centrally plan the economy by manipulating interest rates on fake paper money is not "capitalism".

>if you look at the world economy, you can see China prioritizing their industrial sector over their financial sector, and they are winning on economics.
Just like how the USSR was the world's largest steel producer and yet couldn't feed it own citizens? China's central planners using their own metrics to beat America's central planners is like the kid with one arm beating the kid with one leg at cross country running. There is a much bigger picture you are missing.

>The only reason why the Neo-liberals were able to reverse the progress the social democrats were able to achieve, is because they could outsource industrial labor, and destroy the bargaining power of the western labor-movement.
What "progress" are you referring to? You've got an ever rising minimum wage, it's impossible to fire unproductive workers unless they literally break the law while working, you've got a full featured welfare state giving the unemployed a comparative standard of living to the working poor, fully socialized healthcare. You're not so deep in your echo chamber that you pretend these are all wins for capitalism are you.

>But it turns out that de-industrializing the west, and offshoring industry to the periphery of the capitalist imperial system meant that, the periphery could catch up to the core. Now the big imperial capitalists that initially funded the neo-liberal politics are loosing their ability to extract imperial profits from the world.
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Welcome to the internet captain obvious.
I mean, anon. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but. This doesn't come as a surprise to anyone lurking this board who knows shit about computers. It's basic opsec to know that everything can be hacked and nothing is completely secure.