/edu/ - Education

>>7905
Hahaha

I really like the picture in OP. More like it plz.

I do warn, if you get too much into this philosophy, you have to become a nihilist. It's the only way. It will also drive you mad, and you might spend too much time on things that are very small, so that others need not suffer the bullshit in the future. My life is already worthless, so I figure I can spend my life doing this, while I am able to do so. I refuse to accept this system of habitual lying and dishonesty and the disgusting fags who imposed it on the world.

>>8006
This.
Modern society worships philosophers like their gods who must be worshipped and minded about when in reality most weren’t even convinced of their own musings.

>>8020
The funny thing about Wittgenstein is that he spent his later life saying "I didn't get it right" and everyone moved to say he solved philosophy then and there. It's crazy really.

I could never wrap my head around the person who is that quick to give over their brain to a thought leader. It's not that I'm some defiant personality that has to be argumentative. I'd love it if someone had all of the answers. Every time someone presents this system where they have all of the answers, it is the most flabbergastingly stupid shit. It's never a system that pertains to the world I see every day and have to live with. It's not even an indicator of what a total system would be. It's just "the system is never wrong" and a demand for slavish devotion to it. That way of thinking has been around in some form since forever and it's never worked. It's also been known since ancient times that this "total system" doesn't work for the same reasons I can figure out on my own.

Really though I don't understand the obsession with making knowledge trivial and reducing it to self-serving koans and sayings. I get why there are people who do this, but the world has always presented to me as a very large assortment of premises, all of which point to an underlying reality that has nothing to do with what I know or any linguistic conceit. The way of thinking that can mandate that we're obligated to respect the "total system" is very new, but the root causes of this disease are very ancient. The longer it goes on, the more insufferable it will be and the more it will throw lies at everyone to make them accept it.

As far as I know, no credible philosopher in history invokes the "total system" and insists it's true no matter what. Even someone as disgusting as Heidegger has his line of reasoning regarding the world and the power of making such statements. The German ideologues knowingly lie and believe that the essential act of lying invokes power. It's never worked for them, but it is a system that perpetuates itself and answers certain questions about the world. It can be done where the universe is viewed as a totality and that totality is functionally a clockwork (even if you're not allowed to say it's a clockwork, but all "totalities" necessarily imply a clockwork universe).

>>8021
As a black man having to grow up with an overbearing Christian mom, I feel you.


Most people don’t really believe in God or whatever their political orientation states they are.

They just merely hope.

One thing I’ve learned is that things that have direct evidence for its effectiveness is never forced on people.
It’s always the things that have no direct evidence of effectiveness that’s forced.

Society dictates that religious adults are justified in forcing their beliefs into children.

Society also seems to shrug off the amount of sexual and platonically physical abuse that happens in religiopolitical institutions.

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>>8022

That's how education works - by forcing children to accept a lie, even a noble lie. The educator always considers giving the truth with clear evidence to be "cheating" because the point of education is to filter and make the student "work for it". As much as possible, the educator wants to decided arbitrarily who passes and fails, and "corrects history" until those who aren't supposed to succeed fail. Every system of education in history does this because education inherently serves some political function and has nothing to do with learning or the truth.
In the past, there was a baseline level of truth-telling that was necessary for society to continue. Workers needed to know how to till the land without being told again, and the same is true of any labor. In practice, no one in management is particularly concerned with merit or even a productive result of the labor. To a manager, the most important thing is that the ordering of society does not essentially change. The manager prefers that the current managers stay where they are or promote, but even more important than individual want is the managerial system remaining intact. Even at the expense of the collective interests of society or the interests of individuals, "the system is never wrong" because that was the way it has always been so far as the dominant ideas care. In the past, honesty was maintained by a lot of inertia working against the managerial system and by the necessities of their societies, since they had to fight actual wars eventaully or they faced individual famine if their farms weren't genuinely productive. The problem is primarily managerial rather than a religious problem or pure and simple greed of the proprietors. Proprietors may want to see the poor starve and extract more rent, but without the overbearing managerialism throughout the whole society, that can't be realized or morally enforced within the working class and institutions. The proprietors would have to resort to force to make people pay rent, and this assumes the proprietors define the point of their existence as rent-extraction which a proprietor may not want to do. Managers on the other hand are only incentivized to remain managers no matter what. The managers do not have a large stake in property, and what stake they have is almost never a personal one that translates to owning a long-term firm. The managers movePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>8009
You should see more since I got banned at leftypol and this is a decent place to promote discussion.

>>8013
Hell yeah! I'm excited!

>>8015
Oh I also posted the first section of another book I intended to write before Book 4, but decided it would take too long and I want to finish what I set out to write in the first place.

https://eugeneseffortposts.royalwebhosting.net/works01/index.html

>>8004
The funny thing is, Leftypol bans people for alleged sympathy for eugenics but then allows posts that call for sterilization of cisheterosexual males or killing of human male fetuses.

They also suggest punitive measures against prime age women for rejecting them for “Chad”.

They also seem to have this reparational approach of socialism that mirrors the unfortunate leftist stereotypes made by right wingers about moochers and whiners.

>>8018
They never enforce a "eugenic ban" consistently because they're full of shit, but you couldn't really "ban eugenics" without understanding why it happened and how it dominates every institution. To say "eugenics bad" is like saying "Big Brother is ungood" at the Inner Party club, but worse.

I gave up on the idea that the worst enablers, the screaming harridans who love saying sexpol shit, will ever shut up. Why would they ever stop something that has been their "win button" to gain position over anyone who wanted honesty and something worth living for in the world? I truly believe the left was a mistake as "the left". It has always had this Satanic element about it as far back as the French Revolution, not that the guys who really did things were very excited for pushing the proto-eugenist vanguard.

As far as reparations, reparations imply there is anything the ruling order possesses that can make up the damage they have done, as if any of this could be fixed to pretend we'll have "normal" back. That's over. I would demand reparations in the form of stable wealth as a permanent condition as a start, but it's not about fairness. If the people have the thing they wanted, they will turn away from such a vicious society and vicious institutions and say "we're done with this". I'm certain society could procure labor regardless of this. You'd be surprised how people get uneasy if they're not working for a long time, because it is a harrowing feeling of powerlessness over your own life. The problem now is that what they want us to do in "working" isn't work. It's submission to this overbearing managerial state that openly declares that the point of labor is to choose who lives and who dies and glorify the essential act of culling. They don't want us to work. They want us to die and suffer. If this was about productive labor, there is no reason for any of the onerous conditions placed on the people. But, if you do that, the middle class professionals whine about how they toil while "stupids" have an easy life and far more happiness for all of the trouble of living in society. Middle class jealousy and envy prevails over everything today, because they were too proud to let us have a future and insisted this power grab and lockout was their purpose. They were never going to let us in their society.

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>>2431
>It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities
I disagree. People hate living in shitty cities.

>number of 18-29 y.o. people

What did OP mean by this as a factor?

>>2469
This.

There are cities that people love living in.
Also, if you think cities are bad, boonies are just as bad.
No amenities available, no sane people around for miles, only activities are drinking and shooting, etc.

>>2427
>These were the role-less individuals who added a physical aspect to their social isolation. They were mostly male, and despite awful takes from smoothbrains, this too is related to social roles. It's an inescapable fact that the female role in reproduction is incomparably longer and more intense than the male one and thus the female population has a "reserve pool" of social roles, resulting in fewer of them becoming beautiful ones.

You’re assuming that women are all beautiful and/or remain attractive.
You’re forgetting that female elders often end up alone.

If you look at numbers for long enough you find correlations based on nothing in particular. None of this is real though. The motives for war throughout history are simple: those who instigate them risk nothing, because all costs for the war are borne by the oppressed. It's a win-win for the instigators, and so they will do so whenever they can mobilize an army that presents a serious threat. The soldiers are paid, and the performance of war deters most invasions by pre-empting them.

There is never any serious "elite infighting". The chief purpose of war is to exhaust the lives and resources of the general public, so that they may be kept in a state of despair and the existence of large, centralized state is made "necessary". If not for this, then people of all nations, regardless of their past, will look at their situation, look to each other, and see that nothing will ever be accomplished by these wars except the aggrandizement of people who should not be encouraged. There would, at the least, be a declaration of universal peace and severe punishment of all instigators and transgressors who create these things. In the long term, the peoples involved, whatever the nature of their polities, will see a global authority as the best outcome. These peoples will never be "one state" or "one nation", or one thing managed in the manner of a city-state or any state we have yet known; but for all intents and purposes, the policy of these entities would be set in accord with the needs of the global apparatus, because the value of maintaining that peace would be far greater than any ambition of one of the polities to dominate the others. The regime of "Plan War" throughout history accomplishes the same ends, but keeps the people exhausted with an ever-present fear of invasion. The world of peace relies on good will and trust to not ruin what would be a clearly beneficial condition for all of the polities involved. The world of war is functionally the world of peace for the aristocracy; by instigating these wars, with whatever excuses are needed to produce them, the aristocracy secures its own existence, which was always reliant on incessant instigation and setting the other orders of society against each other.

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>>7989
Bruh you’re only repeating the cliche fear of new medi.
Also, artists before AI were making mere Pennie’s on their work and were eviscerated for not making artwork in some exceptional way.
If you feel that your artistic talent is worthless because of AI, then maybe it’s you who is the problem because genuine artists wouldn’t care as much.

>>7989
Again, you may as well whine and bitch and moan over Photoshopped slop.
“Artistic integrity” died with the invention of photography and computerized manual editing

>>5280
>Goes on eating drinking and smoking like a pig
Jarvis, pull up the Bauer's act of petite bourgeois adventurism that was immediately supported by the absolutely thrashed Marx and Liebknecht from the historical materialism classic "On the piss question".

Typically geniuses are more likely to drink and be crazy just saying

>>7995
It’s fucked up how society romanticizes that.

>>7283
You realize that Cambodians don't even believe this, right?

>>6114
Good take. I've been to Cambodia and seen the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum in Phnom Penh (converted from a high school to a prison for political prisoners). It's pretty chilling.

But we do need to see these things as a chain of events rather than isolated actions. Indeed, the meddling US ruling class has a lot of responsibility. I'd say that China and the USSR also have some blame, using other nations as pawns, and perhaps precipitating such a brutal regime when it would not have been necessary. They rushed through it and as usually happens when you do that, they fucked up.

Despite best efforts to prevent the red menace from spreading, now nominally "Communist" Vietnam is a rising economic power. Visit sometime … Houses going up everywhere, and many people finally have enough money to leave if that's what they choose to do. I didn't get a sense from the people that the government was anything but something done to them rather than something they were part of, though, so I would guess it's another sham socialism, with maybe some elements to control the worst of capitalism…

>>7285
>It's only real socialism when people stay poor
Lel

>>7286
Not sure how that's what you drew from it.

It's not socialism if it's undemocratic. That's all. You can't force anyone to "do" socialism.

hey fella,do you know where you are?
we don't talk about yellow uyghurs here.

>>7881
This. Most discussions about masculinity often delve into the same cartoonish impression of "Conan The Barbarian" against some giants or fighting an epic war.


Gender roles were mainly just about who makes seed and who bleeds every month
All that "women are dainty and must be worshipped" is a modern invention made by Germanics.

>>7419
>it will help exorcise the faggy zeitgeist
Didn't work for Jack Donovan lmao

>>7969
This. Most of out machismo cultists are often found out to be fudgepackers

>>7971
what is a 'fudgepacker' ?

>>7972
If you have anal sex you are packing fudge so to speak.

>>7215
No need to be upset anon, I was just curious. After all, this thread is about what books we're reading.

>>7204
The three body problem is amazing! Best scifi series I've read. I just finished the second book in the series, The Dark Forest and it was great. I can highly recommend this, I couldn't put it down.

>>7888
Yeah such a wild ride.
I want to second this epic book recommendation.

>>7888
Isn't one of the main plot points shitting on the Cultural Revolution? I should read it before screeching I guess but the clips from the adaptation that I've seen might as well be from Prager U and I do wonder if it gets the love it does simply because it's from le China.

>>7968
I think people liked it because the 'high concept science fiction porn' is just amazing and the characters are very good.

The main theme in those books is the dark-forest solution to the Fermi paradox. (We can't see any signs of aliens because everybody in the universe is hiding). All the aliens think like ultra neocons, interstellar diplomacy doesn't exist and the way to be safe is to exterminate rival species or hide from extermination. That's a very myopic outlook, and could be considered reactionary. Dark Forest is not realistic but it is how some people think.

In my humble opinion the cultural revolution was a mistake, the goals were honorable but the implementation was a total crap-shoot. The critique of the cultural revolution in these books is slightly anti-communist, yes, but it is not too bad, it will not spoil your enjoyment of it. It is not a main plot point, 90% of the books is just exploration of cool scifi ideas.

One of the political themes is how technologically less advanced humans try to cope with more advanced aliens that want to destroy humanity. It reflects how many people in the world felt about the military interventions of the United states. The aliens even say that humans are bugs, which mirrors US propaganda from the cold war that depicted Chinese people as an insect colony.

The author has a philosophy related to Daoism and Taoism that teaches indifference to the suffering of others. I did not like that but he is not forcing it on you, his writing style is the opposite of Ayn Rand's. (She is trying to force the reader to see the world her way in a very obnoxious way)

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The science was very well researched for the time of release, but since then some of the predictions have been refuted.
The secondary theme in those books is the idea that civilizations are trial and error.
The ending of the third book is lame.
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