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Hello /leftypol/, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftychan.net/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.pictures/post/list/debunk/1
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>>444873
my numby wumby


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This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
As requested by several users, and in accordance with our general ethos of encouraging online anonymity, leftychan now has an i2p address which can be found here:
http://leftychmxz3wczbd4add4atspbqevzrtwf2sjobm3waqosy2dbua.b32.i2p or http://leftychan.i2p/

Moderation Changes
* New spam filter - Thanks to the hard work of our dev and admin Zer0-, leftychan now has an effective countermeasure against the automatic bot spam that plagues alt-chans. Dubbed as the 'spam noticer', the implementation of this system has led to a dramatic fall in malicious advertisement threads being posted to the site.
* New mods & dev - In order to better cover european and asian timezones, two more mods have been voted onto the team. These are sindikat, who has previous moderation experience, and jon, who is also acting as a dev and has made many valuable contributions in this capacity.
* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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>>487934
>>487916
Yeah it happened.
Basically, Caballo was refusing to follow his own rules and constantly stepping out of line so there was an attempt to create some democratic methodology by Comatoast, Zero, and Watermelon with the supprt of some other users, but, they had a backdoor in Krates which had been inactive for like a year at that point.

Can't believe that's you, what a twist.


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 No.489198[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Continued from >>487384

Updates and current status since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 61,000. Excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

In early January 2025, Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza and a prisoner exchange. Despite all of the killing, Hamas's military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, appears to have largely replenished its numbers. Israel proceeded to violate the ceasefire with airstrikes and a resumption of their illegal blockade of Gaza before resuming full-scale attacks in March and destroying the ceasefire entirely.

Israel has continued to violate the ceasefire with Lebanon more than 600 times, and has refused to leave the country entirely after multiple delays. After months of the IDF violating the ceasefire in the south of Lebanon, Israel returned to bombing Beirut in March.

Syrian president Bashar al-Assad was overthrown by US-backed al-Qaeda operatives. Israel proceeded to steal more land from Syria and launched a massive bombing campaign on Syria and Syria's arsenal without any resistance. Meanwhile, Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, the leader of HTS and current de facto leader of Syria, has launched attacks on Lebanon and attacked Palestinian liberation factions within Syria.

The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnayahu and Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The ICC also issued warrants against Hamas leaders.

Following the warrants, the Biden administration invited Yoav Gallant to the White House.

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>>490272
It's in one of the myriad twitter links I posted around the time I posted that iirc… if you find it on YouTube or something though, post it here. I've been lazy lately about just posting links.
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 No.490281

https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1936211028469260467
More direct impacts in Tel Aviv now

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1936210919962620037
BREAKING: Iranian missile directly strikes Tel Aviv

Despite attempts to prevent footage from emerging that shows Iran’s missiles striking targets, video has emerged confirming at least one hit.
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 No.490282

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Araghchi begins speech in Geneva

Iran’s foreign minister has told the UN Human Rights Council that Israel’s attacks on nuclear facilities in Iran are “grave war crimes”.

Iran defending itself against ‘barbaric’ aggression: Foreign minister

Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has just spoken at the United Nations in Geneva. Here is a summary of what he said:

Israel has launched an unprovoked aggression on Iran, in a stark violation of Article 2, paragraph four of the UN Charter.
This is an unjust war imposed on my people since early hours of Friday, June 13, when Israel perpetrated a mix of unlawful and criminal operations against off-duty military personnel, university professors and ordinary people.
My fellow Iranians have been killed and injured following Israel’s surprise armed attacks …operations on residential areas, public infrastructures, hospitals, health centres … the foreign ministry … nuclear facilities have also been targeted.
Israel’s attacks on nuclear facilities are grave war crimes, given also the danger of an environmental and health catastrophe as a result of radiological leakage.

More from Araghchi

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 No.490285

>>490262
>Iranian special forces successfully managed to hack into the CCTV cameras scattered across Israel in order to aid its ballistic missile strikes that have managed to significantly cripple the occupation.
Delicious Irony

On behalf of all the privacy advocates and security experts:
<We told you so
<We told you that stuff was going to be used against you
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Why is the left so fucking censorship/ban happy? Even on leftist forums, .orge and behind closed doors, you basically just cannot have discussion or acknowledge very real issues, because they sometimes are tangentially aligned to right wing narratives. This is also a problem in itself, the idea that the right is ALWAYS WRONG, when they just clearly isn't true, sometimes we are the ones who are spouting bullshit (usually from a place of idealism) and they turn out to be the ones that were acting in good faith.
A good example is Immigration, the left censored debate on this so hard, that it ceded the entire ground to the right. Now you have mass rape gangs, quality of life imploding in high immigrant areas, ethnic enclaves, increasing crime, lowered civicism and the left is still going "IF YOU DON'T WANT JASMINE SCENTED SEX WITH IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE A NAZI" while the far-right literally overtake the Establishment in polling because they actually address working class concerns.
You can see this as well with the rise of genuine antisemitism, Left censored the debate on Jews so hard, that when it turns out, shock horror, duplicitous religious psychopaths, are in fact, duplicitious religious psychopaths in a way everyone can BRAZENLY SEE, then it's the far-right who are the only ones with a narrative. Despite the fact, Christians and Muslims are also duplicitous religious psychopaths and push their bad faith bullshit as well, but because the far-right control the narrative because they never self-censored, they dominate the debate.
It's just wild to me, that Leftists, on sites like .orge, can't even engage in good faith debate, without crying for banhammer. They do realize that Banhammers don't actually exist in real life right?
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 No.490253>>490286

>>490251
>Why is the left so fucking censorship/ban happy?
<History
In Socialist countries like the Soviet Union for example censorship was basically admitting defeat to capitalist media industry, they could not produce anywhere near the volume of high production value media as the west. To be fair to the soviets, in practice the spectrum of ideas that they allowed was much broader than what you could do in the west when you considered the limitations of commercial viability. 80s Soviet Scifi is wild and mind-bending.

<the political economy of immigration under capitalism

In bourgeois politics the purpose of the liberals is to import cheap immigrant labor, and the purpose of the right is to attack their status to make the imported labor easier to exploit.
To be fair to both sides, the liberals genuinely want to treat immigrants as equals and the right genuinely only wants to keep them out. The capitalists cherry pick the parts of each side that serve their ends. That leads to bad social consequences and then they get both sides to blame each other for the shitty result. Out of that animosity comes the desire to get the other side shut up.

Immigrants could be integrated but if you silo them into ghettos, it creates more opportunity for divide and conquer, and ruling classes do like to divide and conquer. I think the US doesn't have high immigrant crime rate, but in some places like in France (don't quote me on that) there is indeed a higher crime rate. But that is not the result of immigration it's the result of silo-ed off population groups.

<the socialist position

You can demand to limit the influx of immigrant workers until there is full employment and immigration no longer creates wage-dumping-competition.
You cannot demand the government round up certain people and get them deported unless they committed a extra serious crime. You can only punish people for what they do, not for what they are. Also the ruling class wants to beta-test hardcore repression on immigrants and then role it out to the rest of society later. They will not stop at immigrants, eventually they'll do it to you

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 No.490276

I really don't think the left is any more censorious than society at large at the moment. You just notice it more in political discussions because it's extra insidious in that domain. Whatever someone's politics, if they have the power to control debate and an incentive to exercise it it's always hard to resist that temptation. That's why we, on the left, should be addressing the systemic origins of censorship, in the same way we direct our critique of the outcomes of capitalism to the system itself..

TL;DR: Down with all jannies, power to the posters! Posters of the world rise up, you have nothing to lose but censorship.
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 No.490277

it's because they can't admit their defeat
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 No.490286

>>490253
Good post, the hilarious thing if you posted this on say rSocialism or .orge, there is like a 80% chance you would be called a right winger, /pol/ and banned.
Saying this in most IRL leftist spaces would be a massive no no as well.
The left take this turbo approach to issues from a moral position, not a materialist one, and it leads to massive censorship, over people not being as "moral" as Leftist would like you. This is despite the POINT of Marx and Engels was to reject this sort of Utopian Socialist moralfag thinking.
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 No.490287

>>490252
>The left being super into tone and word policing, and basically excluding people with purity tests might be a psyop to weaken the left.
Large part was, look into the "Campaign against White Chauvinism" which was a FBI wrecking COINTELPRO. But lets be real, it is absolutely perfect at manipulating the Left's weak points in solidarity, since most Leftists are moralfags, not Materialists.
>Also I think a lot of these "right wingers" are just working class people with perhaps some reactionary views, but I don't see why they wouldn't support economically left policy. We shouldn't alienate workers.
It's not just working class people, pretty much anyone who engages in materialism on "no no" topics that the left takes some turbo moralist position on, will be accused of being a reactionary or "right winger" simply because the conclusions are often far more aligned with rightoid positions, than the standard shitlib left one. The amount of times I've copped bans from .orge for advocating for literally Lenin/Sverdlov era Bolshevik party positions as being "/pol/" is pretty fucking wild. God forbid you actually advocate for any policy the CPC takes instead of just sucking the dick of China as an anti-US force.


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 No.490283[Reply]>>490284

Who is the most evil man in history and why is it Leon Trotsky?
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 No.490284

>>490283
There definitely was a trot to neocon pipeline, so there is that.

To be fair the neocons did more damage to the US empire than the Soviets ever did. Maybe they played 3d Backgammon.


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this fuckin piece of shit this no good fuckin walking genocidal goiter with hair & teeth
if this piece of shit showed up in my neighborhood I'd shove him in a garbage pail and throw it off the nearest cliff
I'm embarrassed to have even saved his pic for this thread I'm gonna immediately delete it after I post this

What do you think of him, /leftypol/?
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 No.489719

>>489702
This is just a song and dance that Israel does with its allies. The Israeli government is well aware that it breaks international law, some ministers even flex blatant violations as being a good thing.
But they're also aware that support at home is important for their allies and they need to provide a smokescreen to shield themselves from scrutiny too. Western media outlets only need a 'both sides' narrative to exist, and they'll naturally use it to distract from the more important narrative, which would be about what Israel is currently doing. Watch the BBC right now and you'll see exactly this.

So every time western allies send them a letter saying "stop pls this is horrible", they reply in kind with inflammatory language. This helps to create the impression that pressure is actually being created here.
In reality, the real support that we give Israel: diplomatic cover, military intelligence, arms supplies- continues unabated, and we do nothing to actually stop, or even speak against the genocide. This is how the relationship has to work when Israel is an apartheid colonial state. But the phrase the government is deploying- "risk of breaking international law" shows the real story here. There is a concerted effort to shield Israel from legal judgement and the natural material action that would have to follow.
Anyone actually convinced by these weasel words is being an absolute idiot. The government knows exactly what it's doing and any objective analysis of how badly mismatched its language is with its actions shows that. We do not use the phrase "risk" when it comes to Russia- there could not possibly be a more blatant double standard, but our media entertains this paradigm uncritically.
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 No.490274

>>489716
This is quite a toon.
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 No.490275

>>489716
never seen something so based in my entire life


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 No.457563[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


Pro-Russia sources:
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/mdfzeh
https://nitter.net/AZmilitary1
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/asbmil
https://t.me/vorposte

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 No.489865>>489867

>>489856
Yeah I'm not entirely convinced the Russians see it as oh it's just the least important pillar of our nuclear triad getting attacked, that's fine

I'll give you the point about the motivation, the target could have been the conventional bomber aspect. But the Russians can't know that for sure.
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 No.489867>>489870

>>489865
Oh I think we can be sure about the motivation: this was just another means to sabotage peace talks and keep the war going as long as possible. The Ukrainians have no hope of winning this war and this changes nothing on the battlefield. If the US wasn't involved in these attacks this time then we can at least be sure intelligence from some other NATO country had a hand in a desperate attempt to saving the failing political career of some European ruler.
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 No.489870

>>489867
>Oh I think we can be sure about the motivation: this was just another means to sabotage peace talks and keep the war going as long as possible.
There was talk this attack took 18 months planning, if that's true, the timing would have been difficult. But you are not wrong, it did interfere with the peace talks.

I still don't really get the rational for prolonging this war. Well, obviously there are the war-profiteers that want to keep the gravy train rolling, but that doesn't explain the hysterical behavior of the "Russia-warriors".

They said provoking this war would weaken Russia economically and militarily as well as fracture it politically , but that doesn't appear to be the case at all. The result seems to be that both Europe and the US have been weakened economically and militarily instead, and Europe seems to have suffered political fractures. And it also caused diplomatic isolation of the west because most of the world did not participate in the sanctions war against Russia. The longer this war drags on, the worse it will become.

>a desperate attempt to saving the failing political career of some European ruler.

So all this shit, because of careerism ? Bruh if that's true, that's fucked up.
Also is it actually working ? There doesn't seem to be much public support for this war, despite the high intensity warmongering in the media. If I was a politician i wouldn't double down on this, i would try to get out of the war and then memory-hole it as quickly as possible.

>The Ukrainians have no hope of winning this war and this changes nothing on the battlefield.

I think that was clear from the beginning, they never intended Ukraine to win, Ukraine's purpose was supplying cannon-fodder. Guys, guys Ukropia can totally win against a super-power was always just intended as a deception.

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 No.489984

Another incredible scoop by Kit Klarenberg, revealing secret Britain plans to blow up the Kerch Bridge, entrap Russian officers in sexual blackmail, and train Ukrainians to plant limpet mines to sink Russian ships:

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/06/11/uk-plans-russian-black-fleet/
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 No.490244

Chechnya leader Kadyrov: "Feeling emboldened by their impunity in the genocide of the Palestinian people, the Zionists have now decided to provoke Iran and create yet another hotspot on the world map.

For decades, we have heard Zionists and Western Satanists spreading disinformation that Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons.

Thirty years ago, it was “any day now” and “on the threshold,” twenty years ago it was “any day now,” ten years ago—still “any day now.” So where is it? Probably in the same place as Iraq’s nuclear weapons.

On the pretext of the supposed existence of nuclear weapons, they flattened all of Iraq, killed Saddam Hussein, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians, and pushed the country back by decades—and now they plan to do the same to Iran.

I believe the reaction of the Iranian military is entirely logical and a tactically sound decision. Iran has not refused international inspections and openly declares that it is working on enriching peaceful nuclear fuel.

But the Satanists are not satisfied even with the fact that Iran, under sanctions for over 40 years, has its own independent energy program.

After years of provocations and Zionist terrorist operations targeting Iranian military personnel and scientists, the Iranian authorities were left with no choice but to respond to Israel’s Satanic aggression—a country that dreams of turning the entire Middle East into a lifeless desert.

The international community must now raise a far more important global question:
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 No.487075[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Big massive thread for American politics.
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 No.489995

https://x.com/StatusCoup/status/1933327832664694789
LIVE From ICE Detention Center in NJ | Reports of Riots Inside
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 No.490027>>490064

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 No.490064

>>490027
Lucy has deep concerns over the gravity of this moment ?
Well earth's gravitational pull remained stable at 9.80665m/s², so not to worry.

I sometimes wonder if relentless contrarianism would work, so if Iran had a nuke there would be lasting peace in the region. Maybe doing the exact opposite of what the neocon/ziofascist-axis demands would actually result in peace. The logic being that they always want war, and peace is the opposite of that.
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US Senator Ted Cruz on Tucker Carlson - "we're bombing Iran"
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 No.490189

>>490179
hot damn, pwned !


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 No.487320[Reply]

when it will be over for eu

what do you think on european union in general
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 No.487535>>487536

>>487531
do you think normal tanks aren't like that ?
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 No.487536

>>487535
actually gas ballons explode rather not violently so if you mount them some where outside in the save place (at the top)
they most likely won't damage a tank (at least the polymer ones)
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 No.487927

So, do I go to Balkan from Portugal then?
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 No.490183>>490187

This is so embarrassing…

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1935187633145024933
US Can Incapacitate European Fighter Jets With "the Push of a Button" — Belgian MEP.

Belgian Member of the European Parliament, Marc Botenga has expressed his deep concern over European economic, political and military subservience to the United States, even as the Trump administration threatens to take Greenland from EU and NATO member, Denmark.

He criticized the response from some European officials to spend more money on American weaponry, stating:

"We know that these F-35 fighter jets are controlled by the US. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but it is enough for the US to just push a button for them not to take off. So we are not going to defend our own country or our own continent against the United States with their own weapons.

Botenga, from the Worker's Party of Belgium, has been a member of the European Parliament since 2019.
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 No.490187

>>490183
I don't know how to think about this.

At one level this means the F35 has a design defect. Because this, lets call it "remote kill switch" probably can be figured out and used by others, not just the US, so the F35 might at some point not work at all. Considering that Iran might have shot down one or several F35 jets, that might happen depending on how intact the wreckage is.

The other level is that yeah it was not very clever to buy this. To be fair sometime weapons systems are bought to be reverse engineered.

Anyway based Botenga for pointing the finger at Fighter DRM


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 No.488634[Reply]

If you are not posting on 4chan you are failing as a leftist in the most fundemental way possible. Right now there is a huge opportunity to use the market crash and consequential recession that is coming to turn a lot of dissolusioned right wingers over to our side. To the side of truth, reason and sanity. I post on /b/ at the very least when a thread comes up revolving around trump and go on pol daily. We have to be where they are. We cannot just keep sequestering ourselves off in our hug boxes all the time. You have to be posting on 4chan as well.
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 No.490145>>490151

>>490144
>Tony Blair
What if we told you there's nothing about this guy that is "left"? Would you meet us at our level so we can have a productive conversion, or will you do the usual thing where you continue arguing against a straw man?
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 No.490151>>490152>>490153

>>490145
>What if we told you there's nothing about this guy that is "left"?

>Social democracy is a social, economic, and political philosophy within socialism[1] that supports political and economic democracy and a gradualist, reformist, and democratic approach toward achieving social equality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

If belonging to a tradition within socialism makes someone a leftist, then Blair is a leftist. It's like right wingers trying to claim that someone like Angela Merkel wasn't actually right wing because she wasn't literally Hitler reborn.
>okay but it's not REAL socialism, chud!
>okay, but it's not REAL conservatism, leftie!
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 No.490152>>490153

>>490151
But sure, I'd love to hear about how Blair totally isn't a leftist.
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 No.490153>>490157

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>>490152
>>490151
Blair was a Thatcherite Neoliberal who ran as Labour, retard. His policies were rejections of previous party stances.
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 No.490157

>>490153
Right, fair enough, that quote does seem to be legit, so I guess I could've been wrong, but that still doesn't change the fact that multiculturalism and open borders are leftist policies (as in, most people today who would consider themselves socialists, communists, whatever, support those things).


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