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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello /leftypol/, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftychan.net/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.pictures/post/list/debunk/1
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 No.490632

>>490508
>If you are not employed then they can't steal from you
No like… that's literally where they steal it.


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This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
As requested by several users, and in accordance with our general ethos of encouraging online anonymity, leftychan now has an i2p address which can be found here:
http://leftychmxz3wczbd4add4atspbqevzrtwf2sjobm3waqosy2dbua.b32.i2p or http://leftychan.i2p/

Moderation Changes
* New spam filter - Thanks to the hard work of our dev and admin Zer0-, leftychan now has an effective countermeasure against the automatic bot spam that plagues alt-chans. Dubbed as the 'spam noticer', the implementation of this system has led to a dramatic fall in malicious advertisement threads being posted to the site.
* New mods & dev - In order to better cover european and asian timezones, two more mods have been voted onto the team. These are sindikat, who has previous moderation experience, and jon, who is also acting as a dev and has made many valuable contributions in this capacity.
* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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 No.487989

>>487934
>>487916
Yeah it happened.
Basically, Caballo was refusing to follow his own rules and constantly stepping out of line so there was an attempt to create some democratic methodology by Comatoast, Zero, and Watermelon with the supprt of some other users, but, they had a backdoor in Krates which had been inactive for like a year at that point.

Can't believe that's you, what a twist.


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 No.490646[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Continued from >>489198

Updates and current status since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 61,000. Excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

In early January 2025, Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza and a prisoner exchange. Despite all of the killing, Hamas's military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, appears to have largely replenished its numbers. Israel proceeded to violate the ceasefire with airstrikes and a resumption of their illegal blockade of Gaza before resuming full-scale attacks in March and destroying the ceasefire entirely. At least 7,450 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza alone since Israel unilaterally broke the ceasefire.

Israel attacked Iran utilizing a large number of assets embedded in Iran, killing multiple scientists and high ranking Iranian military officials, as well as targeting schools, hospitals, oil assets, and a TV station. Around one thousand Iranians were killed in Israel's strikes on civilian targets like residential buildings. Iran retaliated with a series of waves of missile and drone attacks which hit multiple Israeli military targets including IDF HQ, Mossad HQ, as well as an Israeli oil field. After an Iranian strike on Unit 8200, the number of online Zionist apologists conspicuously reduced for a while. The Israeli government, embarrassed by the damage to Tel Aviv, heavily censored footage and reporting of Iranian strikes on Israel, resulting in the Israeli police arresting journalists and citizens for filming sites of impact, while rich Israelis fled by boat due to the closure of Ben-Gurion airport. Iran began a crackdown on Israeli terror cells, finding and closing multiple Mossad-linked covert drone factories, as well as reportedly arresting groups of Afghan nationals involved in sabotage, and multiple individuals reportedly linked to German & Indian spy agencies.

The US launched airstrikes against multiple Iranian nuclear energy sites, followed by Iran retaliating with a strike on a US airbase in Qatar. A ceasefire between Israel and Iran has been in place since shortly after this, with expectations being that Israel intends to recouperate and try again with more direct US involvement.

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 No.491237

>>491221
P9 LIVE NOW!
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 No.491240

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/1962235707193266548
Israel claim to have assassinated Abu Obeida, the spokesperson for the Qassam Brigades in Gaza

This was his last message to the Muslim and Arab World, condemning the complicity with Israel’s actions. [video]
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 No.491241

>>491239
Closing remarks live NOW


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 No.490931[Reply]

Gegenstandpunkt is a German Marxist journal founded in Münich 1992. They primarily focus on Marx's theories and the analysis of current events from a Marxist perspective. They reject parliamentarianism. Their most well known member is Karl Held, who died in 2010.

As far as I know, they are against Leninism and any other Marxist thought that comes from it. They have been identified as a "left-wing extremist group" by the German governments Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, they also say that "Due to their elitist understanding of Marxism, the group is largely isolated in the left-wing extremist scene." (at least according to the German wikipedia article) which I find humorous.

I downloaded two of their English translated books called "The Democratic State Critique of Bourgeois Sovereignty" and "Work and Wealth", and I'm planing on reading them after I've read more Marx's own work, like Capital Volume 1, and the work of other Marxists, namely those from my country of origin and of Left-Communist (Italian Left-Communist, Councilist, Communizers etc.) writers who I'm interested in.
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 No.490934

Do they publish in English? Do they have some kind of novel idea or theory to make me care about them?
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 No.491188

they are oftentimes lumped in together with other strands of "Left communism" but they really are not because they reject pretty much anything that's associated with "Orthodox" "Marxism" (as many call it). So things such as Dialectics and His Mat which most left coms actually consider near and dear to their movement.

They are, pretty much the most ruthless critics you could think of. They only care about what's objectively true and disregard all ideology, sometimes they go as far as disagreeing with Marx himself. You'll understand once you'll read their article on the German Ideology (german only unfortunately) and the one on the Manifesto (this one's got an English translation fortunately)

I personally rather liked their article on the fall of the USSR ("Kommunismus tot?" /"Is communism really dead?"). There's also a lot of archives of their other articles or speeches given at ruthlesscriticism.com.I suggest you give that site a look too since all the articles there are in English
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 No.491235

>>490931
By glancing at a couple of articles I've came to the feeling that it's all just another bunch of shitty pretentious libtards looking at things thru libtard worldview and libtardly trying to outlib the libs in libsplaining their own flavor of libbery in which they shall inevitably repeat the Yugo Praxists' praxis of the degenerate Cuckutsky – starting with marx, ending with hitler.


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Maduro activates Bolivarian National Militia in response to US “threats”, vowing to defend the country’s sovereignty and independence.
President Nicolás Maduro announced on Monday, August 18, that he is activating “over 4.5 million militia members across the entire national territory” of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, in response to the US deployment of three Navy guided-missile destroyers and 4,000 military personnel to the Caribbean. The White House has described the deployment as an anti-drug trafficking operation in the region, while some analysts have called it a new threat against Venezuela – the country with the largest oil reserves in the world.

The US military deployment comes after Washington raised its bounty on the Venezuelan president from USD 25 million to USD 50 million, alleging links to drug cartels.

The “extravagant, bizarre, and outlandish threats” of the United States have been firmly rejected by the Venezuelan government.

Minister of Foreign Affairs Yván Gil described the accusations as a sign of desperation, revealing Washington’s “lack of credibility and the failure of its policies in the region”. He also pointed out that Venezuela has made major gains against drug trafficking after expelling the United States’ Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) – who many Venezuelans call “the planet’s chief drug traffickers” – from the country in 2005.

No US agency or international body has produced concrete evidence of drug production and distribution being concentrated in Venezuela or linked to Maduro. In fact, available global drug data makes almost no mention of the Caribbean nation or the alleged “Cartel of Suns” at all. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the epicenter of activity is in Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru, with the US identified as the main destination for distribution, recording the highest level of drug consumption in the world.

UNODC data reports that only 5% of Colombian drugs transit through Venezuela, and that the country is free of coca leaf cultivation, and marijuana and cocaine processing. The Trump administration, on the other hand, has maintained its position that the Venezuelan government is a “narco-terror cartel”.

Venezuela mobilizes as the US bares its teeth
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 No.491105

>>491102
Some interesting context to this: Guyana is one of the ten non-permanent members of the UN security council and was the president of the council for June.
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Venezuelan President Maduro Stages a Show of Force
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 No.491233

Maduro needs to take a hint from Yemen and start building hypersonic anti-ship missiles. And acquiring a shitload of cheap Dengist drones and robots.
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 No.491234

>>491233
Yeah, good Chinese tech would absolutely wreck the imperialist forces.


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 No.491193[Reply]

Why has so much of the left recently become such fucking puritanical pro-Copyright fags to an absolutely insane level?
From the Anti-AI movement pushing that anybody using AI is "stealing" from fucking slop artists on deviantart, to people whining about "plagerism" because someone has a similar thought to them and they weren't credited. What the fuck is going on?
You have leftists cheering on bills to literally EXPAND COPYRIGHT and IP restrictions. It's fucking bonkers.
I've been arguing with leftists recently who are saying by using AI, I'm "stealing" from creative artisans… and? How is this different from me streaming a show from a non-official streaming site, or pirating a game? Why should I care? What is wrong about democratising the creation of art, or even commodities? Should leftists celebrate the driving of value to 0?
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 No.491194

A few things:

Firstly, you're an adult. Not everyone you see saying a certain thing represents a monolithic "left."

Secondly, the premise here isn't really correct. The idea that opposition to ""AI"" is purely about defending copyright is inaccurate, and the idea that there even is any meaningful opposition to copyright in general is false. IP isn't on the verge of going away, in fact it's pretty much more enforced than ever, and the people who deal in IP for a living are not under threat; but those people are not artists, they are patent lawyers, large corporations, etc. The idea that ""AI"" is a threat to this model at all is delusional; ""AI"" art is simply allowing the same entities which already are the primary beneficiaries of IP law to make even more money off of other people's creative labor than they already do, whether or not those who they profit off of are making a profit themselves. There is no meaningful opposition to IP from the corporations pushing these overhyped programs, they merely want artists to unilaterally waive rights which they themselves categorically refuse to waive, so that the corporate powers can take an even larger cut of the profit.
If you look at this critically, and don't just take the marketing as the final word, this is very clear.

There is no "democratizing" at play here, for the same reason that "right to work laws" don't "democratize" the labor force. This is a consolidation of even more monopolistic control in the hands of rentseeking "tech" elites.

I say all of this, and still I'll add a third thing; I'll elaborate on the real repulsion to ""AI"" a bit as it relates to me, because although I've explained how things are in relation to other people, I'd like to add that I do have my own concern and disregard. Art, whatever you might personally think about it, is expression. It doesn't matter what you specifically think of someone else's art, it doesn't matter what motivation they had to create it, there is both expression and discipline involved in the creation of art. Outsourcing it to lines of code sold by Sam Altman seems like a grotesque failure to embrace what is joyful about the human soul; it is not hard labor, it is not dull paperwork, it is expression, and I would rather see a poorly produced stick figure made by a real human being than a "fancy" corporate synthesis of what "professionalPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.491195

Cool story OP, have you stopped beating your wife yet? It's trivial to extend Marx's critique of capital to intellectual property laws, whoever you're dealing with is not "the left".
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 No.491199

There is no organized left-wing in America, and you're just referring to tumblerinas who migrated into politics but retained their shitty intereste in furry/anime small business shit.

Also there's a growing reflexive dismissal of progressiveness in general among those you call left-wing, opposing nearly any popular technical progress

I agree the anti-recent-AI people are deranged. This new technology can easily displace half our current jobs and give more time for leisure and healthier pursuits.
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 No.491232

because the left is constantly infiltrated at every level and sabotaged to take self-defeating political lines


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 No.485822[Reply]

this fuckin piece of shit this no good fuckin walking genocidal goiter with hair & teeth
if this piece of shit showed up in my neighborhood I'd shove him in a garbage pail and throw it off the nearest cliff
I'm embarrassed to have even saved his pic for this thread I'm gonna immediately delete it after I post this

What do you think of him, /leftypol/?
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 No.490932

Just woke up, have the Brits grown a spine and offed this swine yet?
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 No.491177

Declassified UK - Exposed: Starmer's spy flights for Israel linked to major massacre in Gaza
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 No.491186

>>491177
Not a shocker, of course the freaks at r/UKpolitics think it's a positive.
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 No.491190

>>491186
Reddit is such trash.
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Politicians across UK demand Keir Starmer impose sanctions on Israel
KEIR Starmer has been urged to recall Parliament to “impose immediate sanctions” on Israel in a joint letter signed by politicians in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The letter urges the Prime Minister to “act now” to exert pressure on Israel its brutal assault on Gaza.

It has been signed by the SNP's Westminster leader Stephen Flynn and convener of the party's Holyrood group, Stuart McMillan, along with Northern Ireland’s First Minister Michelle O’Neill, Plaid Cymru leader Rhun ap Iorwerth and Plaid Cymru's Westminster leader Liz Saville Roberts.

Other co-signatories include Scottish Greens co-leader Lorna Slater, Scottish LibDem MP Alistair Carmichael, Alliance Party leader Naomi Long and SDLP leader Claire Hanna.

The letter states: “The humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in Gaza is both man-made and avoidable.

“It is characterised not only by relentless bombardment and destruction, but by the deliberate creation of conditions that are starving a civilian population.

“The blocking of food, water, and medical supplies has precipitated what UN agencies and humanitarian experts describe as a man-made famine; one that is rapidly claiming lives and inflicting irreparable harm on an already traumatised population.”

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Syrian rebels enter Aleppo three days into surprise offensive
Insurgents had recaptured territory around Syria’s second city with civilians including children killed in fighting

Islamist insurgents have entered Syria’s second city of Aleppo in a shock assault, eight years after forces loyal to Damascus seized control of the city.

Fighters from Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) began a major offensive earlier this week from their base in the Idlib countryside, a slim strip of land in Syria’s north-west. It took only three days for the fighting to reach Aleppo, with insurgents capturing territory around the city’s outskirts for the first time in four years as Syrian government forces pummelled rebel-held areas.

Turkey’s Anadolu state news agency reported on Friday afternoon that the insurgents had entered Aleppo, while unverified images and video circulating online showed armoured vehicles and armed uniformed militants on its streets. The Associated Press said residents reported hearing missiles striking its outskirts.

The fighting over the last three days had killed 27 civilians, including eight children, David Carden, the UN deputy regional humanitarian coordinator for the Syria crisis, told Reuters.

The rebels have rapidly recaptured dozens of towns and villages in the Aleppo countryside, seizing a military base, weaponry and tanks from Syrian government forces, while some Turkish-backed Syrian rebel groups based elsewhere in north-west Syria joined the fighting.

The UN said Syrian government forces based in Damascus carried out at least 125 airstrikes and shelled areas across Idlib and western Aleppo controlled by the rebels in response to the offensive, killing at least 12 civilians and wounding 46 others, and displacing 14,000 people.

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 No.491148

>>491140
One of the most spook-made wiki articles I've ever seen.
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 No.491151

>>491140
Wish the old WhoColor script still functioned so we could analyze who all have been doing most of the edits to this article.
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 No.491160

Israel attacks Syria for second time in 24 hours
The attack on Wednesday consisted of a series of strikes on a former army barracks in Kiswa, southwest of Damascus, according to Syria’s state-run al-Ekhbariya TV.

Israel also attacked Kiswa on Tuesday, killing six Syrian soldiers.

We’ll have more details as soon as we get them.

https://aje.io/aijcb2?update=3911866
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 No.491228

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1961924322374619528
Jolani is now killing Iranian journalists according to this.


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>Theory is completely, laughably incoherent and contradictory from one position to the next
>Largely ignores most Marxist and Materialist Feminist positions on gender development
>Largely ignores the role of biological sex.
>Can't even answer basic questions in regards to the theory or identity
>Slippery slopes to absolutely absurd positions that again run contradictory to their standard positions.
>Arguments largely 1:1 the same as gay conversion therapy
>Response to any questions is just calling people "TERF"'s and crybullying like Zionists.
>No meaningful response to why if gender/sex is a metaphysical social role, why you can't be transracial or even transspecies, is furry a legitimate identity?
>Largely ignore the fact that huge amounts of Troons are in fact, predatory sociopaths.
>Largely ignore the rampant misogyny in the movement.
>Rampant hypocrisy in arguments (Noo you side with elites if you are anti-Troon, but also Troons are totally justified because US big pharma says so!)
>Ignores AGP and claim it's just a troonphobic myth by blanchard despite almost half of troons openly identify as it and it being one of the most popular fetishes out there among men.
>The insanely creepy way Troons usually talk about feminity, and they overwhelmingly dominate Bimbofication and other extremely degrading/humiliating women fetish communities.
>If Children are fully self aware, fully developed in self identity and in full self control and understanding of their self and their gender and sexual identity.. isn't this exactly what NAMBLA argues? It's also clearly absurd as dissociative disorders and personality disorders and dysphoric distorders are not even diagnosed in children generally for OBVIOUS FUCKING REASONS.
>Hormones are in fact, super dangerous to fuck around with https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44192-025-00216-3
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 No.491223

I think you guys are missing the larger point, which is that troons make up a statistically negligible portion of the population. The media, including social media, exposes you to them constantly because it's profitable to make people angry and beneficial to the bourgeois to keep people divided over culture-war issues, since they ultimately aren't affected by any of it. But if you put down your phone and take a look at the world around you, you'll notice a very interesting trend; you almost never run into actual troons in real life.

Discussing transgenderism as if it were a meaningful social issue, getting obsessed with the integrity of women's sports that you don't actually watch, freaking out over transgenders being pedophiles, is the equivalent of freaking out over pagan animal sacrifices. It's a non-issue that has been made a thing to distract from the class struggle.
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 No.491224

>>491019
>Was happening in shitlib areas on the West coast, in general 27% of people between 13-24 identify as Transgender/NB, that's fucking INSANE for a disorder that exists in fractions of a single percent of the population.

Have you considered the the American west coast was always super liberal?

Also using terms like “it’s insane for a disorder to exist” is hyperbole

Transgenderism is not a mental disorder.
And stop morally obsessing over young peoples preferences that doesn’t involve rape or murder or robbery

>Because right wing people do something, doesn't been troons aren't awash with pedophile predators. Troons have entire disco servers and subreddits like egging, dedicated to grooming children. Lolicon and ageplay and all sorts of pedo shit is completely mainstream and frankly the majority among troon communities. Troons literally hold that children have fully formed sexual self identity.


First of all, do not confuse Loli and ageplay for pedophilia.
Second of all, that grooming behavior you’re describing is ironically more common on the right.

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 No.491225

>>491142
Those trans people you’re describing are fakers
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 No.491226

>>491223
This

OP is exaggerating a literal non-issue. Most of the sick degenerate stuff that transhumanists are allegedly doing is mainly cis folk who blaspheme transgender in for their own agenda
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 No.491231

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>>490905
>Response to any questions is just calling people "TERF"'s and crybullying like Zionists.
Critical support to cvꑭᛏoidϟ in their struggle against ᛏrooꑭoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Largely ignore the rampant misogyny in the movement.
Critical support to ᛏrooꑭoidϟ in their struggle against cvꑭᛏoid ideꑭᛏariϟm
>Can't even define what a woman or man is.
Bullshit made up to divide the proletaryat into another batch of competing uyghur nations (identities) to fuck them both in different ways while they fight each other.
>Largely moves to actually reinforce gender norms in almost a parody way.
Oh shit, just like cvntnazism does! Holy fuck, how?!
>Muh trans genocide despite it's been debunked
Just like muh cvnt oppression, precisely

>the left

libs. It's all libs you fucking lib, now gtfo and kys

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 No.483853[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Party declaration:
https://x.com/ACPMain/status/1815163785134436404

The American Communist Party (ACP) is an organization which aims to reconstitute the historic Communist Party USA, which has become corrupted by federal agents and liberal forces. Look no further than Joe Sims, who supports the genocidal Democratic Party. It was launched in July of 2024, in response to the events of the 32nd Convention of the CPUSA. At this convention, party leadership subverted and betrayed democratic centralism and the freedom of critique which is supposed to follow from it. They claimed to be a genuine Marxist-Leninist party, but the leadership doesn't even follow their own rules. The CPUSA delayed all elections and without a vote made a resolution that they’d basically just campaign for Democrats. Just a bunch of boomers sitting around and writing articles about identity politics rather than organizing.

Already the ACP is far more successful than anyone would have expected from a brand new baby party. They are building reputation locally, taking care of their own communities and making areas safe for children and families to enjoy. Diplomatic ties on the international level have already been established. ACP has garnered more attention in the past couple months than the corrupt, decadent CPUSA leadership has in decades. A huge number of the CPUSA clubs across the entire country had a huge part in making this happen. Will you join up?

Website:
https://acp.us/
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 No.491164

>>491163
>There is room for differing views on things which are not workers' power in the socialist movement, and there is unity and strength in class; among all races, sexes, nations, and cultural attitudes, only the worker and the workers' class interest is paramount.
While I agree with this, the vast majority of the Western left do not. Entire Idpol and "current thing" topics among the Western left are basically considered axioms, you cannot criticise or touch, no matter what, even if they have no real basis in Materialist politics or Marxism.
Gender ideology is one of them, go against that in most Western leftist spaces and it's the quickest way to be persona-non grata and smeared as some sort of Nazi, or even talking about negative experiences with Lumpenproles, leftists have been smeared for reporting RAPE because a homeless person did it, or just basic gatekeeping against liberal idpol tards and narcissits who want the left to be their own self-help group and every leftist for god knows what reason plays along with this bullshit.
I mean, ffs, the DSA literally started purging it's most experienced members, because the DSA disability group basically went on a power tripping abelism accusation fest against senior members because their little pet issues weren't front and center of DSA. Shortly after that you get the INFAMOUS DSA conference which looked like a parody of Tumblr. Where you couldn't even fucking clap without being "ableist".
>The fundamental strength is in class politics, which are not dependent upon any of that other shit.
100% agree, I've always argued the left should focus on "bread and butter issues", but sadly, for my near 20 years of being part of the organized left, I can pretty honestly say, the vast majority of the Western left, would happily sell off every single material leftist economic demand, if it meant we could codify every batshit xenogender into the law.
This is why I understand the ACP position, it's also why I understood the post-left. The current Western left is absolutely fucked in the head, it's a Shitlib Radical liberal movement that simply cloaks itself in leftist terminology and imagry, while largely just accepting "current thing" as 100% true and anybody who says otherwise is a bad faith reactionary. I mean, look at how the currenPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.491165

>>491162
>It's that MAGA is the most revolutionary part of the working class at the moment
rofl no, it's the 50% of Americans who despise the political system and both major political parties. You're pandering like a fool to a captured audience.
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 No.491168

>>491163
the proletariat *is* conservative and it is conservative because nobody can offer an alternative
they want to defend the *progressive* gains they acquired through their historical struggle and they correctly identify that the "progressives" who wish to destroy that progress are their enemies, they are *conservative* but not "conservative"
people don't know what they want but they do know what they don't want, so give them a project that offers them real progress and they will become real progressives once again
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 No.491185

>>491168
Yeah, it's pretty simply if you look at material gains and just the state of our communities, that most ""leftists"" basically want things to become worse in the name of being a good fucking person.
Lumpen homeless crackheads everywhere? Fine! antisocial thirdies who hold completely different values and are pathologically ingroup obsessed? Racist if you don't like this, Rampant shoplifting and crime? ACAB!
>>491165
While I also have my own reservations, it's pretty clear MAGA types are actually active and do shit, and if they were on the left, it would be a massive boon in actually having the left fucking do things. But I do believe also that MAGA types are too brainwashed by "muh sole trader small business owner" grindset to ever accept leftism.
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>>491162
>Western left can't accept that the the vast majority of the industrial proletariat, align with "conservative" values
Where are you getting this from?

>It's like why people seem to go out of their way to misunderstand the "MAGA communism" name.

They don't. It's a very stupid name. It's like calling your movement "fascist communism" and then saying
>No, we aren't fascists, we're communists who see that fascists have revolutionary potential and want to convert them to our cause!
They would've been much better off calling it "conservative communism" or something.

>It's that MAGA is the most revolutionary part of the working class at the moment

I disagree, specifically on the working class part. MAGA, as a movement, is very much class-collaborationist. Yeah, there's plenty of coal miners and construction workers at Trump rallies, but there's just as many if not more petite bourgeois "small business owners" there.

>>491168
>the proletariat *is* conservative
Again, where are you getting this from?
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