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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello /leftypol/, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftychan.net/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.pictures/post/list/debunk/1
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 No.496901

>>496900
You're not funny.


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This thread will detail some of the changes made to the site in the past year, as well as our plans for the future.

New i2p Address
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Moderation Changes
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* Removal of Zul - In line with the rule that if a mod is inactive for over 15 weeks their status as a mod is called into question, Zul was voted off the mod team.

New Roulette Board
>>>/777/
After some discussion, we decided on /k/ as the new roulette board theme, replacing /CHAD/. Archived threads from previous roulette cycles can still be viewed here >>>/roulette_archive/
Any suggestions for future roulette board rotations are welcome.
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 No.495268

>>492505
New sticky time!


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Continued from >>495162

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https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/2070172412822310996
New High-Resolution Satellite Imagery Shows A US Military Aircraft Buildup

Deployed at the Chania (Daskalogiannis) International Airport in Crete, Greece, the presence of refueling aircraft and electronic warfare surveillance at the site highlights Crete's growing role as a key operational hub for monitoring the eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East amid ongoing tensions in the region.
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 No.497154

https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/2070238309020729353
BREAKING: Hezbollah Inflict At Least 4 Casualties On An Israeli Force Attempting To Advance

The Israeli occupying army attempted to push towards Beit Yahoun, when they were caught in a well prepared ambush. 1 of the Israeli soldiers already reported dead. The clashes are ongoing.
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 No.497158

Oil prices climb after ship hit by projectile near Oman
Oil prices rose more than 2 percent after a cargo vessel was hit by an unknown projectile near Oman, putting an evacuation effort for ships from the Strait of Hormuz on hold and reawakening concerns about the worldwide flow of oil.

Brent futures rose $1.52, or 2.1 percent, to $75.26 a barrel, while US West Texas Intermediate crude rose $1.58, or 2.3 percent, to $71.92, Reuters reported.

Yesterday, both crude benchmarks closed at their lowest since February 27, the day before the war began, as crude shipments through the strait rose to their highest since the start of the war.

https://aje.news/17fm04?update=4702359
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 No.497159

Israel targets southern Lebanese towns despite "ceasefire"
The Israeli army targeted the outskirts of the towns of Barashit and Beit Yahoun with about 10 artillery strikes, Lebanon’s state-run National News Agency reports.

Israeli troops also combed the area with machinegun fire, according to the news agency.

Hezbollah says Israel continues to target civilians in southern Lebanon
The Lebanese group says that Israel targeted civilians on Zouat al-Sharqiyah – Mifdoun road earlier today, resulting in the killing of two people who were on their way to inspect their homes following the ceasefire announcement.

A third person was wounded, Hezbollah said.

“The Israeli enemy army has once again deliberately targeted Lebanese citizens who were on their way to inspect their homes on the Zouat al-Sharqiyah – Mifdoun road, under the pretext that they posed a threat to its occupying forces,” Hezbollah said in a statement released on Telegram.

Iran’s PGSA says ships transiting Hormuz outside its authority not guaranteed safety
In a brief message on X, the Persian Gulf Strait Authority (PGSA) said, “Any passage through routes outside the framework designated by PGSA will not be covered by safe passage guarantees and will not be entitled to insurance coverage or related liabilities”.

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>>497081
Iran's Military Puts the U.S. on Notice Over Israeli Warplanes Near Its Borders

Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters:
We consider the movements and presence of the military aircraft of the terrorist army of the Zionist regime in the skies of some neighboring countries towards Iran as a dangerous act and a threat against the Islamic Republic of Iran.

We declare that if the United States is unable to restrain and control the Zionist regime, the Islamic Republic of Iran will not tolerate any threats against itself and considers responding to these dangerous actions as its right.

https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/2070403644772450693


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 No.497140[Reply]

it seems like we're on the onramp to a very drastic change very very soon. political instability, unwinnable wars, market chaos, gigacorps, tech that has complete moral ambiguity. a massive underclass developing, the opoid "crisis", the collapse of meaningful cultural distinction, and a veneer of utopia (a shoddy paint job).

i think we're going to unironically end up in some cyberpunk world. i heard a podcast the other day say "a world covered in datacentres" without the slightest sense of irony, cynicism, doubt, or really anything negative. i don't find trouble in that personally but it is beginning to feel like we're walking right into the hyperstition people often say they fear.

i think it is inevitable at this moment: the powers that be have decided this is where we're going. i don't think we get a say, so i choose to learn to live in it instead of being cannon fodder for a lost cause.
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 No.497148

>end up in some cyberpunk world
Already there.
>i heard a podcast the other day say "a world covered in datacentres" without the slightest sense of irony, cynicism, doubt, or really anything negative. i don't find trouble in that personally
Then you're really, really dumb.
The purpose of those is mass surveillance and suppression.

>the powers that be

Genocidal pedophiles. Deeply stupid human beings with names and addresses.
You'll die some day regardless of what you do. Death, eventually, is inevitable. No one who fights fights because winning is the only possible outcome or because it is easy. If you are unwilling to overcome a childish fear of the inevitable in order to fight something intolerably horrible, you are either a tremendous coward or you don't understand how bad it already is.
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 No.497160

I literally don't understand why you would go to work to enrich some stranger you have no relationship with.

You should be working to enrich yourself and the people you love.

The current predicament shouldn't be tolerated, yet it is, and it's so absurdly stupid that I am really close to being angry at the average working person.

It really is that simple.


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 No.494892[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

New big thread for American studies.

Previous thread: >>487075
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 No.497091

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>>497074
Any analysis of the Cold War that doesn't include the US military-industrial complex is incomplete.
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 No.497092

>>497090
>Zionist Twat
lolol
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 No.497093

Why did they use dark paint in that pool? The increased temps from heat absorbtion encourage algae growth. Using caustic substances to kill it seems counterproductive since the pours clear only the edge and increases heat absorbtion, which only encourages more algae growth in the rest of the pool while stripping the new paint from the old surfaces. Should've used a lighter color.
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 No.497094

>>497093
I would have no idea what you're talking about if Galloway hadn't gone into this the other day.

The answer is one of Trump's buddies profited from it. It was a bunch of bullshit, which is a helpful rule of thumb whenever you find the US (or UK, or EU) state decision-making confusing.
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 No.497157

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New Ford patent!

Patent number US20250104469A1.

"This is a biometric system that scans people, compares against law enforcement/security databases, and alerts authorized personnel when a match is found."

Patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20250104469A1/en


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 No.497110[Reply]

He's pretty serious about this Marxist-Leninist thing. His demand's include Marxist stuff like the state seizing all transportation. Then the rest are Marxist-Leninist like his "extraordinary branch", modeled after Soviet Cheka secret police (and even quotes its founder Felix Dzerzhinsky). His call for total abolition of private property without compensation, centralizing credit, state-planned industry, and state control over communication is also straight Marxism-Leninism.

He is anti-capitalist through and through because he believes capitalism creates hypergamy (In his mind, hypergamy, individualism, and consumerism is vastly more profitable than supporting traditional, monogamous families). But he wants to tweak his preferred political order toward whatever kind of conservative anti-capitalism exists in any particular region, for the sake of pragmatism.
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 No.497143

CLASS A TARGETS (Bourgeois/Systemic)
┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ 1. CEOs & corporate leaders │
│ 2. Investment bankers (BlackRock, etc.) │
│ 3. Elite politicians (both parties) │
│ 4. Zionist-aligned corporations │
│ 5. Health insurance CEOs (US) │
│ 6. Pornography industry heads │
│ 7. Resource extraction execs (oil, logging) │
│ 8. Real estate speculators & slumlords │
│ 9. "Plastic surgeons" │
│ 10. Crypto/stock speculators │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

CLASS B TARGETS (Lumpen/Criminal)
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 No.497144

SWINDLERS

┌────────────────┼────────────────┐
▼ ▼ ▼
┌─────────────────┐ ┌─────────────────┐ ┌─────────────────┐
│ "ALPHA MALE" │ │ CHRISTIANITY │ │ SPECULATION │
│ ────────────────│ │ ────────────────│ │ ────────────────│
│ • Andrew Tate │ │ • Promise of │ │ • Crypto │
│ • Mindset │ │ afterlife │ │ • Stock trading │
│ • Confidence │ │ • Tradition │ │ • Drop shipping │
│ • PUA "coaches" │ │ • Anti-communism│ │ • "Passive inc" │
└─────────────────┘ └─────────────────┘ └─────────────────┘
│ │ │
└────────────────┼────────────────┘

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 No.497145

Revolutionary Strategy

DISPOSSESSED MALES


┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ 1. SELF-CULTIVATION │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ (i) Bodily Purification (abstain from: drugs, │
│ alcohol, sugar, nicotine, energy drinks) │
│ (ii) Intellectual Advancement (study Marx, Lenin, │
│ Robespierre, Mao, Plato) │
│ (iii) Physical Ability (running, hiking, weapons │
│ training, NOT weightlifting) │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
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 No.497152

>>497145
>permanent revolution
Even worse than an incel; a Trotskyist.
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 No.497156

>>497152
>>497152
ahahahahaha


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Maduro activates Bolivarian National Militia in response to US “threats”, vowing to defend the country’s sovereignty and independence.
President Nicolás Maduro announced on Monday, August 18, that he is activating “over 4.5 million militia members across the entire national territory” of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, in response to the US deployment of three Navy guided-missile destroyers and 4,000 military personnel to the Caribbean. The White House has described the deployment as an anti-drug trafficking operation in the region, while some analysts have called it a new threat against Venezuela – the country with the largest oil reserves in the world.

The US military deployment comes after Washington raised its bounty on the Venezuelan president from USD 25 million to USD 50 million, alleging links to drug cartels.

The “extravagant, bizarre, and outlandish threats” of the United States have been firmly rejected by the Venezuelan government.

Minister of Foreign Affairs Yván Gil described the accusations as a sign of desperation, revealing Washington’s “lack of credibility and the failure of its policies in the region”. He also pointed out that Venezuela has made major gains against drug trafficking after expelling the United States’ Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) – who many Venezuelans call “the planet’s chief drug traffickers” – from the country in 2005.

No US agency or international body has produced concrete evidence of drug production and distribution being concentrated in Venezuela or linked to Maduro. In fact, available global drug data makes almost no mention of the Caribbean nation or the alleged “Cartel of Suns” at all. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), the epicenter of activity is in Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru, with the US identified as the main destination for distribution, recording the highest level of drug consumption in the world.

UNODC data reports that only 5% of Colombian drugs transit through Venezuela, and that the country is free of coca leaf cultivation, and marijuana and cocaine processing. The Trump administration, on the other hand, has maintained its position that the Venezuelan government is a “narco-terror cartel”.

Venezuela mobilizes as the US bares its teeth
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 No.497120

THOUSANDS FEARED DEAD IN VENEZUELA EARTHQUAKES. — USGS
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 No.497121

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 No.497123

>>497121
Apocalyptic. The whole world will shake and bake and the north will freeze come winter.
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 No.497139

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https://x.com/MintPressNews/status/2070186711087267884
Trump Is Weaponising The Horrifying Earthquakes In Venezuela That Killed 164 & Injured 1,000

Despite being the First Nation to pledge aid to Caracas, the United States along with its European allies still maintain sanctions against the country, which makes aid delivery more difficult.

In addition to this, experts argue that not only will much of the aid pledged to Venezuela, not reach its people, but the delivery of aid is the perfect opportunity to give Washington even more influence over a nation whose leader remains kidnapped by the Trump administration.
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 No.497146[Reply]

both "World Wars" were state building projects with pretedermined outcomes, every war since the ousting of the mongol hordes has been a masonic blood sacrifice performance (really those wars were the true world wars because much of the horde/islamic world colonized the Americas before Europe, Europe had to use Spain as their gateway to infiltrate the muslim occupied coasts.

If you were paying attention to European history from Rome onward you should never want to have allegiance to either "side" and would despise anyone dumb enough to vote.


They had boomers thinking Russia was a legitimate threat when it was always just the same Roman interests corralling the tributary empires of Asia.

The only reason East Rome is more broadly known as Byzantium is because they want the average cattle thinking there's a difference and that the eastern facing head of the eagle isn't part of the same entity.

You shouldn't listen to a single person in government or politics ever again. There isn't a germ of authenticity to the roots of the modern world.
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 No.497147

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Umm… anon? Are you all right?


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 No.496696[Reply]

Continued from >>492498

Updates and current status since the start of the last thread:
(largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 72,700. Excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

Italian workers' unions launched a massive general strike in October over the shipping of weapons through Italian ports which are being used in Israel's genocide, and launched another strike in November.

In early January 2025, Israel agreed to a ceasefire in Gaza and a prisoner exchange. Israel unilaterally broke the ceasefire. In October 2025, another ceasefire and prisoner exchange was agreed upon in Gaza, and Israel has proceeded to kill over 900 Palestinians in Gaza since agreeing. Israel has also refused to allow the agreed-upon amount of aid into Gaza.

Israel attacked Iran utilizing a large number of assets embedded in Iran, killing multiple scientists and high ranking Iranian military officials, as well as targeting schools, hospitals, oil assets, and a TV station. Around one thousand Iranians were killed in Israel's strikes on civilian targets like residential buildings. Iran retaliated with a series of waves of missile and drone attacks which hit multiple Israeli military targets including IDF HQ, Mossad HQ, as well as an Israeli oil field. After an Iranian strike on Unit 8200, the number of online Zionist apologists conspicuously reduced for a while. The Israeli government, embarrassed by the damage to Tel Aviv, heavily censored footage and reporting of Iranian strikes on Israel, resulting in the Israeli police arresting journalists and citizens for filming sites of impact, while rich Israelis fled by boat due to the closure of Ben-Gurion airport. Iran began a crackdown on Israeli terror cells, finding and closing multiple Mossad-linked covert drone factories, as well as reportedly arresting groups involved in sabotage, and multiple individuals reportedly linked to German & Indian spy agencies.

Renewed US/Israeli attacks on Iran led to the destruction of multiple US bases in west Asia and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

The US mercenary front called the GHF has reportedly disbanded.

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 No.497103

June 21, 2026:
🟢 Martyr Izz El-Din Al-Qassam Brigades Spokesman Abu Obeida:

We salute the arms of the Hezbollah fighters who have inflicted, and continue to inflict, heavy losses on the "israeli" enemy, as part of the heroic resistance against the aggression on Lebanon, its people, and its sovereignty, which is a right and a duty guaranteed by all laws.

The enemy is attempting, through the continuation of its crimes and occupation, to compensate for its failure in various arenas, and it is striving hard to separate the resistance fronts, but it is attempting in vain; for it has reaped nothing but disappointment and defeat for more than two and a half years.
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 No.497107

⚡️Gaza sources:

This morning, 4 collaborators with the Israeli army were executed in Gaza City after they were convicted of attempting to carry out hostile activities in the city.

-
WarfareAnalysis
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 No.497108

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Switzerland has authorised federal prosecutors to carry out a criminal investigation of former top police official Nicoletta della Valle for her role in the 2025 detention and expulsion of Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada’s executive director.

In January 2025, Della Valle was director of Fedpol when she overrode the assessment of the immigration authorities and the national intelligence service after they both concluded that Abunimah was not a threat to Swiss security.

Switzerland’s Federal Administrative Court ruled earlier this year that Abunimah’s procedural rights were grossly violated and Fedpol ultimately ruled that the decisions against him were unlawful, as there were no grounds for the ban.

Della Valle left her role not long after the incident and took on a lucrative role with Champel Capital, an Israeli investment firm whose founder Amir Weitmann has openly called for the Israeli military to use genocidal methods against “the entire Gaza Strip.”
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26-06-2026

1- Israeli proxy militias that looted aid during the starvation of the Palestinians of Gaza, stationed in Israeli army camps inside the so-called “Yellow Zone.”

2- “Influencers” who consistently praise Arab regimes.

3-Personalities associated with the PA.

4-Some Israeli pages.

All are running a nonstop online campaign targeting the besieged Palestinians in Gaza, calling for a protest against Hamas on June 26, 2026.

Western media is prepared to cover it extensively along with Arab regimes media.

However, the attached video contains statements from the mukhtars (chiefs) of Gaza’s major families and clans, warning their clanspeople against participating in what they describe as a theatrical act and a crime against their cause.
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 No.497119

Three ICC judges sue Trump admin over ‘unlawful’ sanctions
Three judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC) have filed a lawsuit ‌in the federal court in Manhattan, suing the Trump administration over sanctions imposed on them last year.

In the lawsuit, the judges – Kimberly Prost of Canada, Solomy Balungi Bossa of Uganda, and Reine Adelaide Sophie Alapini-Gansou of Benin – accuse Trump of exerting “extra-judicial pressure” by “targeting their financial and other personal interests”.

They allege the US president is attempting to “punish them for prior judicial decisions” by the court, which include arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a decision to open an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by US troops in Afghanistan.

US sanctions can severely restrict a person’s ability to carry out everyday activities. Sanctioned people are generally unable to bank with financial institutions linked to the US and lose access to a range of online services, including Amazon and Google.

The restrictions can make it extremely difficult for those affected to receive payments from their employer or travel internationally.

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 No.457563[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last one is full and the worst thread on leftychan must be contained.

In recent news: Ukies done a successful counteroffensive in Izium, Z gang now in shambles. Biden promises even more money for Ukraine. Putin meets Xi, Erdogan, Modi and others at the SCO summit.


Pro-Russia sources:
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast
https://nitter.net/mdfzeh
https://nitter.net/AZmilitary1
https://nitter.net/wargonzoo
https://nitter.net/TheHumanFund5
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/asbmil
https://t.me/vorposte

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 No.497003

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Ukraine hits Moscow refinery as Zelenskyy seeks Trump support to end war
Russia’s Defence Ministry says air defences shot down 555 Ukrainian drones over several regions overnight.

Ukrainian drones have hit a Moscow oil refinery for the second time ⁠this week while Russia fired missiles at Kyiv, as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy seeks support from the United States and Europe to reach a deal to end the war.

Russia’s Defence Ministry said on Thursday that its air defences shot down 555 Ukrainian drones over several regions overnight, with almost 200 intercepted as they were approaching the Russian capital.

Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin said several drones hit an oil refinery.

“Air defence forces continue to repel a massive attack. Several drones managed to reach the Moscow oil refinery,” Sobyanin said, adding that a shopping centre also suffered minor damage.

The attack on the oil facility is the second this week, after a drone attack on Tuesday halted operations at the refinery, according to the Reuters news agency, as widespread damage to Russian energy facilities worsens the country’s fuel crisis.

Reporting from Kazan, Yulia Shapovalova said the refinery is a “strategically important enterprise.”

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 No.497045

>>496950
They did it, those absolute madlads! Zelensky on suicide watch after being forced to return his most cherished award to Poland. Will he ever recover from this shame?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/20/top-ukrainian-officials-return-polish-awards-in-wwii-dispute
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 No.497046

>>497045
Gerasimov-Syrskyi pact when?
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 No.497115

Why is Zelensky trying to antagonize Belarus? I really don't understand the 4D chess the Man of Z is playing here. Is he trying to guaranteed a Russian pincer on Kiev from the southeast and north as well? Does this stupid coke addict even have a sense of self-preservation anymore?
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 No.497117

>>497115
Because Lukashenko criticized "israel" and that matters a lot to the people with the money.


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